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Please help identify-34th Year Of Kuang Hsu Dragon coin
« on: May 12, 2015, 05:25:24 AM »
Diameter - Approximately 39.16mm
Weight - Approximately 25 grams

Your opinions will be much appreciated. I will post more Dragon coins soon.

Cheers

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Re: Please help identify-34th Year Of Kuang Hsu Dragon coin
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2015, 01:58:22 PM »
Welcome to the forum, member #2,000 !

The 1898 Pei Yang dragon dollar should weigh about 27 gm. with a diameter of 38mm. Clearly, your coin is a fake.

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Re: Please help identify-34th Year Of Kuang Hsu Dragon coin
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2015, 04:15:03 PM »
Really appreciate the prompt reply. According to this website http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/72897/coin-1-dollar-chihli-china-year-24-1898-ad - The diameter of this particular coin is 39 mm and the weight is 26.92 grams. My scale is not working 100% as it shows -1 gram before I weigh the coin. Will try to weigh it again with a proper scale and keep my fingers crossed. These coins were given to me many..many years ago from Tibet. Cheers...

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Re: Please help identify-34th Year Of Kuang Hsu Dragon coin
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2015, 05:22:48 PM »
The coin has a mismatched obverse and reverse. There is no such coin. The specifications mentioned in my previous response is for the dragon side.

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Re: Please help identify-34th Year Of Kuang Hsu Dragon coin
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2015, 02:16:27 AM »
Thank you for the appraisal. Will post more decent coins later and hopefully one will turn out real as I'm not really a coin collector.

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Re: Please help identify-34th Year Of Kuang Hsu Dragon coin
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2015, 04:03:16 AM »
This coin has a very close spec with a 39mm Diameter and 27 grams weight but there's none Hu Peh dragon coins out there that will match this. Another fake?

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Re: Please help identify-34th Year Of Kuang Hsu Dragon coin
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2015, 04:08:13 AM »
Sorry...The first picture or the other side of the dragon Hu Peh coin is wrong. This is the right picture for it. Any comments will be much appreciated. Cheers..

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Re: Please help identify-34th Year Of Kuang Hsu Dragon coin
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2015, 10:04:32 PM »
Again, this dragon dollar has a mismatched obverse and reverse.

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Re: Please help identify-34th Year Of Kuang Hsu Dragon coin
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2015, 03:07:55 AM »
Thank you for the previous reply.

Found this FatMan coin and the descriptions on the coin matches to the one from another site http://www.dragondollar.com/coins/mint-errors/broadstruck-fatman-dollar/ except this one here is not a broadstruck Fatman Dollar. Diameter 28mm - 27 grams. Comments please.

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Re: Please help identify-34th Year Of Kuang Hsu Dragon coin
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2015, 05:35:15 PM »
Hi guys I have had this coin lying around for a while now and have looked around and found that there are many fakes. Could someone please confirm if mine is a genuine coin or not? I haven't been able to find any coins on the Internet with the exact same patterns or markings as this one so I am assuming it is a fake coin.

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Re: Please help identify-34th Year Of Kuang Hsu Dragon coin
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2015, 08:11:57 PM »
Hello Simon,

I think the reason this coin eludes internet search or catalog identification is that it is a fantasy tael coin. The upper characters on the reverse face are Manchurian script.

Similar pattern taels Y-74 were made in 1907, 33rd year of Kuang Hsu in Chihli province. Standardized taels currency was soon discontinued after Kuang Hsu untimely death.

Also see:
http://coinquest.com/cgi-bin/cq/coins?main_coin=12590
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=7828.0

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Re: Please help identify-34th Year Of Kuang Hsu Dragon coin
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2015, 08:28:08 PM »
Found this FatMan coin and the descriptions on the coin matches to the one from another site http://www.dragondollar.com/coins/mint-errors/broadstruck-fatman-dollar/ except this one here is not a broadstruck Fatman Dollar. Diameter 28mm - 27 grams. Comments please.

Hello Choki,

I think you mean the 1914, year 3 in the fifth and sixth characters from the right hand side obverse legend, Yuan Shih-Kai is 38.5-39.0mm and meets a 26.8-27.0g weight.  Please check the rim thickness; it should be 2.5mm.  If thickness is greater than 2.5mm then the coin is made of a less dense metal than the usual silver-copper alloy.