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1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« on: October 01, 2014, 05:39:28 PM »
I have a 1985 Panda Brass Coin in the old Plastic Capsule with Fingerprints.

Ive read about Fake Brass Coins from 1983 and 1984, are there any 1985 Fake Coins?
If i look at other Auctions, the Nose and Eyes are the same as my one.

( http://images.zhaoonline.com/images/2014/w09/139465012A.jpg and http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=848.0;attach=655;image and http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9282.0;attach=23314;image )


And other Question, if i would send it to NGC, could they remove the fingerprints and what would it be graded?

here are some Pictures (photo was taken in plastic capsule):
« Last Edit: October 01, 2014, 06:13:42 PM by dark33 »

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2014, 09:18:11 PM »
The 85 brass panda is the rare one w/ 1,000 mint.......83 & 84 had 30,000 mint.....

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2014, 11:05:08 PM »
Nice and hard to see 1985 brass panda. NCS should be able to remove finger prints from your coin.

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2014, 11:57:22 PM »
Thx alot, think it was the best found in my life :)

But its a real one and no fake/counterfeit? Because there are some fake Pandas from the early years..

Thx for your help :)

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2014, 12:05:32 AM »
I guess send to NCS/NGC is the best way to get your coin cleaned and authenticated.

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2014, 03:28:57 AM »
It looks genuine to me. I studied those coins quite a lot, but unfortunatelly only from pictures, as I have never owned one yet, so you cannot take my words as 100% true. I do not see any signs of fake in your coin.
Good catch !

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2014, 01:12:58 PM »
Awesome find! Mr. Ge's book has that as four and a half stars rare and mintage of only 50!
That is something to consider when you insure shipping/claim value to NCS/NGC.
It does not look bad and I think NCS will improve it greatly.
You should not despair if it does not grade high because it is so-o-o rare.

Congrats big time!

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2014, 06:37:09 PM »
Wow very cool  !!!  yes only 50 minted   :)   it is one of the holy grail of brass coins ,if my memory serves me correctly apx 3 years ago one sold at a highly publicized auction in hong kong I believe for apx the equivalent of 64,000 usd it had a box and coa but was ungraded ,Peter Anthony might have some auction records or data??  I personally sold a 1983 ms 70 NGC graded coin for the equivalent in trade 5,000 usd   and the 1983 is no where near as rare as the 1985 ,if it is my coin I would have it graded and conserved ASAP ,being brass the fingerprints might lift right off:) Either way Congrats and thanks for sharing your find! please post pictures if you grade and conserve it..

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2014, 08:35:39 PM »
btw looks genuine.............

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2014, 08:43:03 PM »
comments from an article written by Peter Anthony
CHINESE COINS: 5-STAR PANDAS
Posted by Peter Anthony on 8/21/2014
The earliest and perhaps best known are the 1 Yuan brass Pandas that were minted from 1983-1985. Most of these were distributed as gifts or premiums by Panda coin distributors and dealers. Because brass readily reacts with air many surviving coins have black spots or other impairments. They are now highly collectible. MS 69 examples of 1983 and 1984 1 Yuan Pandas can sell for hundreds of dollars. The 1985 is considered a great rarity; auction prices for it have topped $50,000.

VERY EXCITING FIND!

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2014, 10:25:19 PM »
IMO, this coin is genuine, even the proof surface is toned heavily and can not be seen clearly. For further confirmation, the coin weighs 17.5 gm with a diameter of 32mm.

The cost of NCS will be more than $1,000 since this coin, regardless of grade, has a valuation north of $35,000, even at the current market. My recommendation will be DIY by leaving in the extra pure olive oil for few hours. If you have an ultrasonic bath, use it. It will be helpful to turn on the bath few times to accelerate the removal of toning. Make sure the bottom of the bath is covered with a soft material, such as cotton clothes. The olive oil can be removed by dipping into acetone for few second, then dry it immediately. The fingerprints on brass coin are very difficult to remove and may not be removable by olive oil or NCS. If some of toning still can not be removed by olive oil, this will suggesting that the surface is corroded, then submitting to NCS/NGC is required to preserve the condition of the coin. PCGS also has the comparable service.
   
Usually this coin does not show a good condition. There are total 13 of this coin graded by NGC (9, 2 of them 69 and 1 68) and PCGS (4, no higher than 67). Attached is picture of PCGS PR67 copied from PCGS website.

This is a great coin and very difficult to find. Can you provide the pedigree? 

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2014, 04:06:17 AM »
I am also not very sure, as the pics are a little blurred, but I do suspect, that those fingerprints on the coin are not corroded yet, just fat leftovers and there is a high bet, that the coin will look nice after procedure described by poconopenn.
Just one thing: be really carefull after aceton bathing ( aceton wash is really needed to remove olive oil, I would even suggest to neutralize it with soap before aceton wash), it should be dried really fast with air-flow (no way to dry it with any material as hairlines will appear). Aceton might "burn" the brass irreversible - the coin can change its color.

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2014, 06:25:07 AM »
 Send the coin in to NCS put a value of 5000 on the coin and let the professionals conserve it IMHO,brass is very tricky ,NCS wont question your 3 to 5000 valuation on the form :)  just my opinion no way would I would fool with that coin with acetone, olive oil and soap maybe but  I would leave that to professionals we are talking about a 25,000 ++++ coin here .my opinion is not to fool with it  burning the brass with acetone is a strong possibility!!!!

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2014, 11:02:57 AM »
Thx for the answers and that the coin should be geniue :)

I dont want clean the coin by myself, too much risk for the high price.
Think ist not very expensive to use the NGC cleaning program.

The Fingerprints are not very old. Think it would be get a nice grading.
If i receive the coin back, ill post here the Pictures.

Than i must telephone next week with NGC, about the Terms and Price. Im here in Germany, but near the Office in Munich. Grading is at this Country not very easy...

More than 50.000$, the last one i know was 25.000$ 2012 and they was an auction in Germany for 24.999 Euros (http://www.ebay.de/itm/1-Yuan-Messing-Panda-1985-TOP-RARITAT-/181471363294?pt=M%C3%BCnzen_Medaillen&hash=item2a408940de)

The Pedigree, ive found the seller some months ago here in Germany. i have write him over many weeks, but he was the most time offline. Over the weeks he get more and more private bids from buyers. But about the Long time all buyers are still offline and i was the last one with the last bid :)
Now its here..  Think the coin was from MDM (German Coin Seller). They have bought all China Coins in this time. I think they get some 1985 Pandas and have sold them pherhaps for special customers. Im sure, they will be some more coins.

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2014, 11:29:24 AM »
Congrats on the finding. 

Just want to reiterate the declared value you want to put on the NCS/NGC form.  As the saying go, hope for the best and plan for the worst.  If for some reason, the coin is lose, you want to make sure you are covered for what is worth.

My 2 cents.

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2014, 03:00:56 PM »
DIY conservation is part of fun for hobby in coin collection. Olive oil treatment is a non-invasive and simple method to remove toning of copper coin. It will work for most lightly toned copper coin. Perhaps, I should emphases more about the acetone wash step. I did mention the wash step be performed just for “few seconds” and dry the coin immediately to make sure that no residue of acetone and moisture left on the coin surface. The best way is to use a squeezable solvent bottle to rinse the coin surface with acetone for few seconds. Please note that most acetone in the market does have a small amount of water in it. The dry away the water in the acetone is the key step of the treatment. Usually, use a hair dryer will do the job. The soap water is another way to remove the olive oil, followed with extra wash with de-ionized water to remove the soap residue on the coin surface, then, dry the coin with a hair dryer. My experience with few seconds acetone wash is very effective in remove olive oil and non-invasive. In addition, acetone rinse also can remove any potential “invisible PVC residue” on the coin surface. To minimize the risk, try to practice with a low value brass medal prior to expensive one.

Product such as “SafeClean”, which is the combination of vegetable oils and surfactants in water, based on the same scientific principal as mentioned above, also works very nicely to remove the toning and dirty deposit on the surface of copper coin.

In addition to the potential insurance coverage issue mentioned by PandaOrLunar, there is another unintended consequence to submit coin to NCS with a lower declared value. Usually, the lower value coin will be assigned to Jr. staff of NCS to do the conservation. Majority coin submitted to NCS is just a number to NCS staff, nothing special about it. But with a declared value of 5 figures, the coin may be handled very differently and the conservation job will be done by a more experience Sr. staff. 

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2014, 03:34:43 PM »
" DIY conservation is part of fun for hobby in coin collection"
Really ??? LOL    I would certainly question how much fun potentially ruining a coin of that value is??    I have conserved a fair amount of coins,  probably have sent a few hundred to NCS  and at least a couple of thousand to NGC  ............. here is my rule for myself .if a coin is worth over $500 usd and it is silver ,brass or copper I leave it to the professionals, gold is way more forgiving to "conservation fun" so i raise my limit to $1000 .no one but a professional  should touch a coin of that value IMHO



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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2014, 03:42:14 PM »
AT NCS right now just as a testament to my last statement:

Coins for NCS Invoice Number 542xxxx
LineItem   Year   Mint Mark   Variety/Pedigree   Denom.   NCS Grade   NCS Grade   NCS Comments   NGC Invoice Number   NGC Grade   NGC Comments
001   2012 5oz   CHINA   PANDA   S50Y       n/a   n/a          
002   (1991)   CHINA   PANDA 10TH ANNIVERSARY   SILVER       n/a   n/a          
003   (1991)   CHINA   PANDA 10TH ANNIVERSARY   BRASS       n/a   n/a          
004   (1991)   CHINA   PANDA 10TH ANNIVERSARY   SILVER       n/a   n/a   

   Coins for NCS Invoice Number 542xxxx
LineItem   Year   Mint Mark   Variety/Pedigree   Denom.   NCS Grade   NCS Grade   NCS Comments   NGC Invoice Number   NGC Grade   NGC Comments
001   1998   CHINA   PANDA   S10Y       n/a   n/a   3970146       
002   2001   CHINA   SNAKE   S10Y       n/a   n/a   3970146       
003   2001   CHINA   SNAKE   S10Y       n/a   n/a   3970146       
004   (1988)   CHINA   PANDA HONG KONG EXPO   BRASS       n/a   n/a   3970146       
005   2007   CHINA   PIG   S10Y       n/a   n/a   3970146       
006   1999   CHINA   RABBIT   S10Y       n/a   n/a   3970146       
007   1985 1oz   CHINA   GREAT WALL   SILVER       n/a   n/a   3970146       
008   1985 1oz   CHINA   GREAT WALL   SILVER       n/a   n/a   3970146       
009   1991 PIEFORT   CHINA   PANDA   S10Y       n/a   n/a   3970146       
010   2006   CHINA   DOG   S10Y       n/a   n/a   3970146       
011   2003   CHINA   GOAT   S10Y       n/a   n/a   3970146       
012   2000   CHINA   DRAGON   S10Y       n/a   n/a   3970146   

I don't fool around doing DIY conservation on colored coins also : the point here is IMHO opinion leave  conservation to the professionals on high value coins   
    


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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2014, 05:52:37 PM »
comments from an article written by Peter Anthony
CHINESE COINS: 5-STAR PANDAS
Posted by Peter Anthony on 8/21/2014
The earliest and perhaps best known are the 1 Yuan brass Pandas that were minted from 1983-1985. Most of these were distributed as gifts or premiums by Panda coin distributors and dealers. Because brass readily reacts with air many surviving coins have black spots or other impairments. They are now highly collectible. MS 69 examples of 1983 and 1984 1 Yuan Pandas can sell for hundreds of dollars. The 1985 is considered a great rarity; auction prices for it have topped $50,000.

VERY EXCITING FIND!


1985 Brass Panda:   About 50 mintage, selling price of about $50,000 and $25,000 last one sold German auction.   Ngc 13 graded     PCGS 4 graded.    17 total.                                      1984 3.3 oz Great Wall:    About 68 mint & 3 versions      Asking price of $8,888      NGC has graded 7    
Why the big price difference?   Brass Panda was gift or premium?   Popularity?    Immature market?.......


[edit by SANDAC: fixing quote]
« Last Edit: October 04, 2014, 08:12:30 PM by SANDAC »

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2014, 08:35:33 PM »
1985 Brass Panda:   About 50 mintage, selling price of about $50,000 and $25,000 last one sold German auction.   Ngc 13 graded     PCGS 4 graded.    17 total.     

17 graded for a total population of 50 would be quite extraordinary so I looked up NGC population, it is 6 for PFUC ( http://www.ngccoin.com/coin-census/world/china-panda-series-scid-367/yuan/1985-china-yuan-panda-coinid-888997 ) and 3 for PFCA ( http://www.ngccoin.com/coin-census/world/china-panda-series-scid-367/yuan/1985-china-yuan-panda-coinid-888998 ) so that's 9 for NGC.  PCGS shows 3 graded and they also show the population as 1,000 with a suggested $45,000 for OMP ( http://www.pcgs.com/prices/valueview/513378?cid=3725 )

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2014, 12:43:55 AM »
PCGS shows 3 graded and they also show the population as 1,000 with a suggested $45,000 for OMP ( http://www.pcgs.com/prices/valueview/513378?cid=3725 )

PCGS CID 513378 is for PRDC. There is one graded as PRCA, CID:513377.

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2014, 07:47:39 AM »
1985 Brass Panda:   About 50 mintage, selling price of about $50,000 and $25,000 last one sold German auction.   Ngc 13 graded     PCGS 4 graded.    17 total.                                      1984 3.3 oz Great Wall:    About 68 mint & 3 versions      Asking price of $8,888      NGC has graded 7   
Why the big price difference?   Brass Panda was gift or premium?   Popularity?    Immature market?.......


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You are comparing two different things: one - silver and medal with not exactly circulation coin, but from this category, I thing there is about 1000 times more collectors of circulation commemorative coins than those collecting silver coins of PRC. And about even 100x less collecting medals.
And for those collectors of non- PM coins this is a coin everyone is dreaming of. At least in my want list it is on the first place together with mint set of 1986 and PROOF version of 40 years of PRC. I am also collecting silver  PRC coins, but medal is something that I would buy at reasonable price a little above bullion value if the opportunity comes.
I attended local auction yesterday and the hall was almost empty, when the medals were sold. In case of coins and banknotes it was fully packed

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2014, 07:50:03 AM »
But for this 1985 coin I donot think the price of $50000 is OK, One member of this forum posted the 67 grade coin that was sold at 40000 if I am not mistaken, search engine on this forum does not cooperate with me too well

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2014, 07:46:11 PM »
You are comparing two different things: one - silver and medal with not exactly circulation coin, but from this category, I thing there is about 1000 times more collectors of circulation commemorative coins than those collecting silver coins of PRC. And about even 100x less collecting medals.
And for those collectors of non- PM coins this is a coin everyone is dreaming of. At least in my want list it is on the first place together with mint set of 1986 and PROOF version of 40 years of PRC. I am also collecting silver  PRC coins, but medal is something that I would buy at reasonable price a little above bullion value if the opportunity comes.
I attended local auction yesterday and the hall was almost empty, when the medals were sold. In case of coins and banknotes it was fully packed
I agree. It is not fair to compare coins meant for circulation, coins meant for collection only, and medals as art pieces. Circulating coins are everyday objects, with a low entry threshold and they have a much, much larger collector base. Relative rarity is the key to price rise, like the circulating coin to commemorate the 40 years of the People's Bank of China, which rose 3000 times in value since 1989, with a mintage of 2.06 million.

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2014, 08:05:53 AM »
The price of rare coins meant for circulation are a bit too high for me, $20,000 to $50,000.   I will stick w/ the low price, low mintage medals as art pieces and some overlooked silver coins of PRC.   Medals are still seated at the back of the bus.   Hopefully as this market matures the unloved medals/silver coins will see some parity in price.   After all low mintage is just that.............anyway we look at it, this is a immature market w/ a bright future......

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2014, 01:42:45 PM »
The price of rare coins meant for circulation are a bit too high for me, $20,000 to $50,000.   I will stick w/ the low price, low mintage medals as art pieces and some overlooked silver coins of PRC.   Medals are still seated at the back of the bus.   Hopefully as this market matures the unloved medals/silver coins will see some parity in price.   After all low mintage is just that.............anyway we look at it, this is a immature market w/ a bright future......
It costs a lot less to go into circulating coin collection than into the precious metal coin collection. The 85 copper Panda is a special case as it sits across both circulating coin and precious coin categories. The topmost circulating coin, 40 Year Anniversary of PRC proof, is about $20,000. But you can also spend 30 bucks on a 97 circulating coins set, which also has a big upside.

Mr. Sun Keqin's catalog on circulating coins will be updated early next year, with price guides. It has English translation in most sections. That will help with those interested in Chinese circulating coin collection.

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2014, 04:24:24 AM »
Now there are 10 Coins graded by NGC. My one is arrived on 11/26/14 too for Conservation and Grading.

What is the new geraded one? PFUC is now: 63:2 65:1 66:1 68:1 69:2   - i dont know what was it before?
Is there a way to Show me all pictires of this coins without the case number?

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2014, 07:18:57 AM »
It costs a lot less to go into circulating coin collection than into the precious metal coin collection. The 85 copper Panda is a special case as it sits across both circulating coin and precious coin categories. The topmost circulating coin, 40 Year Anniversary of PRC proof, is about $20,000. But you can also spend 30 bucks on a 97 circulating coins set, which also has a big upside.

Mr. Sun Keqin's catalog on circulating coins will be updated early next year, with price guides. It has English translation in most sections. That will help with those interested in Chinese circulating coin collection.

FWIW - I find trying to collect circulating proof coins from the US extremely challenging...they just don't exist.  Alternatively, proof sets offer an excellent entry point for beginner collectors....they are somewhat available in the US on an infrequent basis, have a low entry point in terms of price point, and have relatively low mintages for some of the later years 1991 -2000.

Here is an excellent link for some info. 

http://modernchinacoins.com/PROOF_%26_MINT_SETS.html


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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2014, 07:41:43 AM »
Now there are 10 Coins graded by NGC. My one is arrived on 11/26/14 too for Conservation and Grading.

What is the new geraded one? PFUC is now: 63:2 65:1 66:1 68:1 69:2   - i dont know what was it before?
Is there a way to Show me all pictires of this coins without the case number?
would love an update when you get it back!

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2014, 04:13:09 PM »
FWIW - I find trying to collect circulating proof coins from the US extremely challenging...they just don't exist.  Alternatively, proof sets offer an excellent entry point for beginner collectors....they are somewhat available in the US on an infrequent basis, have a low entry point in terms of price point, and have relatively low mintages for some of the later years 1991 -2000.

Here is an excellent link for some info.  

http://modernchinacoins.com/PROOF_%26_MINT_SETS.html



The modernchinacoins.com has not been updated price information since 2007. The current fair value of those proof sets may be 4-15 times higher than the listed price at this website.

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2014, 01:24:57 PM »
Think i know what it is now. My coin should be PFUC65.

Is that ok? What did you think about the price Class for this grade?

The are two PFCA. What is the difference?

If i get it back, Ill Post the pictures.

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2014, 10:34:29 PM »
Ultra cameo (UC) is preferred over cameo (CA).  Most proof coins should receive the ultra cameo designation, but occasionally it will get cameo when the contrast between the frosted devices and the mirrored background is lesser than it should.  There are 3 cameo in the 1985 yuan panda.  I know of two: 3365264-001, 2776530-008.  It is hard to see the differences in photograph.  Here are three ultra cameo examples of 1985 yuan panda: 3364396-001, 2765294-002, 3307411-001.

You did sent it through NCS, right?  Did NCS removed most of the finger prints?



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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2015, 05:06:30 PM »
here it comes back:

http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=3825500-001

PFUC65 - NCS have removed some of the Fingerprints (1200$ Coasts for NCS + 450$ NGC).

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2015, 05:56:24 PM »
Nice.  Still worth the costs given the rarity of the coin.  Congrats.

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2015, 07:20:21 PM »
Congratulations!

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2015, 02:20:35 PM »
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/35098863_china-1985-panda-1-yuan-brass-proof-very-rare

Sold for only 20.000 Dollar, they means the condition are better than PFUC64 - but not graded...

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #36 on: June 28, 2015, 05:44:01 PM »
Update: 3/63 2/65 1/66 1/68 2/69

There is a new PFUC 63

It should be the one from the Macau-Auction.
That explains the "low" 23.000$ Price.
The coin was ungraded and it was a game and risk to get a PF-grade.

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2015, 09:45:08 PM »
Update: 3/63 2/65 1/66 1/68 2/69

There is a new PFUC 63

It should be the one from the Macau-Auction.
That explains the "low" 23.000$ Price.
The coin was ungraded and it was a game and risk to get a PF-grade.

This is clearly a situation where half a loaf of bread is better than none. I have shivers thinking about this coin and what I could do if I come across it in an instant "buy" situation. I can't see how I can resist pulling the trigger. Yet that could blow a hole (crater more like) through my rainy day fund!

Eeeeeeeeee!  :scared:
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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2015, 05:58:23 PM »
Update: 3/63 2/65 1/66 1/68 3/69

There is a new PFUC69 out.
If i right, its a coin from Germany again.
Ive got an offer of a very large China collection (include the 100 yuan set 1995 with Pagode) and alot more, think the value of the set should be 500.000 Euros complete.

But i dont get it, the seller means the 1985 coin coast just some thousand euros, but he dont want sell it to me :(
It was a set of all three years with 1983, 1984 and 1985 in capsule and wrapped in foil.

Damn, ive deleted the photos, but the coin was in a great condition.

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #39 on: August 18, 2016, 01:20:47 PM »
One new is listed - 1x PFUC64.

But more Interesting is, there was sold a PFUC63 for 28.808,90$. The auction was on zhao 25 July 2016.
Think over Buy it now?

http://english.zhaoonline.com/detail/auction-3895451-detail.shtml

Its the one that sold for 20k $ at Macau last year.

http://m.liveauctioneers.com/item/35098863

What did you think would be the current price of a PFUC65?

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2016, 03:51:09 PM »
A new one:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/1-YUAN-1985-THE-PEOPLES-BANK-OF-CHINA-PROOF-rar-/351871507272?hash=item51ed2d1b48:g:NLgAAOSwYIxX-phO

"only" 24.999 Euro - the condition is very nice, should be a PFUC 67 or PFUC 68

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2016, 06:46:15 PM »
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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2016, 07:33:46 PM »
That is $27,990 USD.......jeepers...

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2016, 08:10:32 PM »
Nicht verkauft means not sold, but maybe it did...

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2016, 09:47:12 PM »
When the seller ends the auction early, that usually means it sold.  Very interesting coins and prices.  Didn't even know about these before.  Maybe vaguely.

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2016, 06:01:33 PM »
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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #47 on: November 12, 2016, 08:50:19 AM »
Congratulations for the catch of the year  :001_tt1:.
I thought that dealers should known the value of that coin.

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #48 on: November 12, 2016, 08:57:19 AM »
notice listed as a 1995   :) wow WG!!

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #49 on: November 12, 2016, 11:20:45 AM »

i was not the lucky one. ;)
regards

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #50 on: November 12, 2016, 11:22:37 AM »
I wish I was!  N34
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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #52 on: January 17, 2017, 06:20:06 PM »
Let's update the total census:

Update (Total 16):
PFUC: 3/63 1/64 2/65 1/66 1/68 5/69
PFCA: 2/66 1/67


Looks like the crazy 1150 Euro coin from germany and the closed auction 24.999 Euro coin from swiss are now two new PFUC 69 coins.

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #53 on: January 18, 2017, 06:17:30 AM »
That is an amazing price for the 1985 1 Yuan, congratulations to the buyer and nice grade as well!

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #54 on: January 18, 2017, 07:52:55 AM »
16 total graded?   I thought these were super rare.     High prices are bringing them out of the woodwork.   It will interesting to see how many more are graded in the next year......

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #55 on: March 01, 2017, 09:48:54 AM »

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #56 on: July 22, 2017, 07:42:28 AM »
Price was 16.000 Euros + Auction Fees.
Thats more than 20.000$ for this Coin with a PCGS 62 Grade.

But it Looks like the coin goes through NCS, there is a new PFUC64 at NGC.


Update (Total 17):
PFUC: 3/63 3/64 2/65 1/68 5/69
PFCA: 2/66 1/67


One PFUC66 is now a PFUC64 (Pherhaps of corrision in the capsule and regrade) and the PFUC64 from Felzmann.

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Re: 1 Yuan Panda 1985 Brass
« Reply #57 on: July 22, 2017, 07:52:55 AM »
Very interesting observation, thank you !!! For a newcomer like me, a grade drop because of corrosion in the capsule seems like a nightmare :-)