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Cracked one out of an older ANACS slab for conservation...
« on: August 22, 2014, 05:47:37 PM »
My recently purchased Dragon and Phoenix S10Y coin
was quite tarnished, toned, blessed with patina, etc.
But I like my coins NCS conserved and NGC graded.

This was an older ANACS slabbed coin--PF 65 DCAM.
So I would have to fill out another NCS form just for the
one slabbed coin. Instead, I cracked it out of the slab to
submit it with four or more other coins for modern coin
conservation for value below $300.

Cracking it out went well in spite of my nervousness. I
band saw cut the slab a bit at a time, making a shallow cut
horizontally at the widest part of coin. This cut was across
both of the slab faces, obverse and reverse, to engineer
weakness across the slab. I band saw cut from the sides
along those face cuts up to the coin edges as close as I
dared. When I chiseled at the side cut, the slab cracked
open along the cuts and my heart jumped, but there was
no damage to the coin. ANACS used a rubbery ring around
the coin which may have protected it from my chisel.

I updated my toned coin picture in the gallery--
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=453.
I will post pictures of this coin when it returns from
NCS/NGC in a couple of months for a before and after view.

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Re: Cracked one out of an older ANACS slab for conservation...
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2014, 10:36:43 PM »
Will you submit another S10Y Dragon & Phoenix along with this one?  Your detailed picture shows it to be the "left high" date variety (http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=6886.msg48231#msg48231) which has not yet been recognzied by NGC.  NGC has recognized similarly date shifted varieties in 2oz S20Y D&P so if you can submit two S10Y D&P with different date shift varieties, it is possible NGC will also recognize them.  Good luck!  I'm curious to see whether NCS can remove the whitish cloud all over the mirrored background.

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Re: Cracked one out of an older ANACS slab for conservation...
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2014, 10:55:48 AM »
I wish I had another to send with it so they had examples to prove the differences.
I will note that variety on the line for that coin and the check the variety plus box just
in case that might influence. The 2 ouncers having recognized varieties should be
a huge clue to them. They may reduce that whitish cloud a bit. I am just glad it is not
any denser. They have improved some heavily stained coins for me. But some whitish
stuff often remains.

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Re: Cracked one out of an older ANACS slab for conservation...
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2014, 10:56:56 AM »
I emailed NGC that the S20Y Dragon & Phoenix had recognized varieties and asked about the S10Y. Melissa Pearce replied to my email that my coin would be reviewed for variety. I am hopeful.

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Re: Cracked one out of an older ANACS slab for conservation...
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2014, 05:19:10 PM »
I did not get my variety recognition on my cracked out Dragon & Phoenix S10Y.
They did reduce the whitish stuff somewhat and cleaned out the dark stuff.
Here is a picture of the coin back from conservation and grading--PF67UC.

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Re: Cracked one out of an older ANACS slab for conservation...
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2014, 08:04:06 PM »
Thanks for the update.  I don't know why NGC recognizes the 20 yuan proof but not the 10 yuan proof.  The amount of date shift is about the same.