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Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« on: April 01, 2014, 02:32:29 AM »
Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal

Diameter: 40mm. Circulation: 1800. Release Date: 2000.

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2014, 07:25:37 AM »
Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal

Diameter: 40mm. Circulation: 1800. Release Date: 2000.

Color is a no-no in numismatics.

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2014, 10:49:33 AM »
Color is a no-no in numismatics.

Says who? There is no rule that says numismatics cannot be colored.

This 5oz color silver Tiger would have been about a $500-700 coin when it came out in 2010. The dealer sold the ebay item I have linked below, the ask was $5477. (The high price isnt grade-related either, at NGC 84% of these grade 69 or 70)

So, 8-10x your money in under 4 years is a no-no?

NGC PF69 Ultra Cameo China 2010 Tiger Silver Colored 5 Oz Coin
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/NGC-PF69-Ultra-Cameo-China-2010-Tiger-Silver-Colored-5-Oz-Coin-/161228323608?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item2589f4fb18



That price performance beats a lot of other coins minted 4 years ago or even 10 years ago. A cursory review of current and sold ebay listings shows no uncolored 2010 MCC on ebay recently beats that colored tiger's price performance.

Another example is the 2006 colored dog, also about a 10x price increase from when it was originally sold.
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2006-1oz-lunar-animal-China-colorized-silver-dog-coin-with-COA-/371023703554?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item5662bc6e02

I have a lot of colored MCC and in terms of quality, which was an early complaint, the newer coins retain their color without the old peeling problems of past coins.

My personal favorite is the three year series outlaws of the marsh, 2009-2011.

I work in mining, and your comment reminded me of what happened with colored diamonds. There was originally no market for the brown, blue, yellow, orange and other muticolored diamonds. Only pink sold but even then the price was low. So they branded them. Brown used to be so cheap it was sold for industrial use, but now 'chocolate' or 'champagne'  diamonds are all the rage.

Colored diamonds have had great price appreciation due to their scarcity versus white diamonds.

Similarly, colored coins also exhibit scarcity verses traditional silver coinage, and that explains the reasoning behind the 2010 Colored Tiger being a top price performer.

I wish I had invested in pink diamonds in 1999:
http://www.bevhillscap.com/investment-grade-diamonds/index.php

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2014, 11:02:58 AM »
You go David!  I know you'll have something interesting to say about colored MCC and you didn't disappoint.  +1

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2014, 12:38:28 PM »
  David is spot on ! you dont even have to go back that far look at the 2009 colorized Ox   100,000 supposed mintage when they where released $100 usd coin  ,18 month,s ago  500/700 usd  ,today 1000 and climbing
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2009-china-lunar-animal-1oz-colorized-silver-ox-coin-NGC-PF69-Ultra-Cameo-/271427378532?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item3f32551d64&_uhb=1

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2014, 12:44:54 PM »
 
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Color is a no-no in numismatics.

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2014, 12:48:22 PM »
Leave it to WG!!!!! no wonder they are so expensive :)   LOL  he is hoarding the world's supply

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2014, 01:05:37 PM »

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2014, 02:01:14 PM »
Gentlemen, that's what I call getting educated.
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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2014, 11:55:05 PM »
Says who? There is no rule that says numismatics cannot be colored.

This 5oz color silver Tiger would have been about a $500-700 coin when it came out in 2010. The dealer sold the ebay item I have linked below, the ask was $5477. (The high price isnt grade-related either, at NGC 84% of these grade 69 or 70)

So, 8-10x your money in under 4 years is a no-no?

NGC PF69 Ultra Cameo China 2010 Tiger Silver Colored 5 Oz Coin
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/NGC-PF69-Ultra-Cameo-China-2010-Tiger-Silver-Colored-5-Oz-Coin-/161228323608?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item2589f4fb18



That price performance beats a lot of other coins minted 4 years ago or even 10 years ago. A cursory review of current and sold ebay listings shows no uncolored 2010 MCC on ebay recently beats that colored tiger's price performance.

Another example is the 2006 colored dog, also about a 10x price increase from when it was originally sold.
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2006-1oz-lunar-animal-China-colorized-silver-dog-coin-with-COA-/371023703554?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item5662bc6e02

I have a lot of colored MCC and in terms of quality, which was an early complaint, the newer coins retain their color without the old peeling problems of past coins.

My personal favorite is the three year series outlaws of the marsh, 2009-2011.

I work in mining, and your comment reminded me of what happened with colored diamonds. There was originally no market for the brown, blue, yellow, orange and other muticolored diamonds. Only pink sold but even then the price was low. So they branded them. Brown used to be so cheap it was sold for industrial use, but now 'chocolate' or 'champagne'  diamonds are all the rage.

Colored diamonds have had great price appreciation due to their scarcity versus white diamonds.

Similarly, colored coins also exhibit scarcity verses traditional silver coinage, and that explains the reasoning behind the 2010 Colored Tiger being a top price performer.

I wish I had invested in pink diamonds in 1999:
http://www.bevhillscap.com/investment-grade-diamonds/index.php

It's a no-no for me because it defeats the purpose of minting. Especially those color sticker coins with ENTIRE surface that is color sticker, it would be just a blank unminted coin when you peel the stickers away.

If you like it, willing pay high price for it, suits you.


:blushing:

Don't you have a fear when those stickers start peeling off and discoloring with time?

Gentlemen, that's what I call getting educated.
 N16

It certainly opens my eyes wide-eyed. :w00t:

Good thing about color coin is, if you dislike the original sticker's design, you can edit its photo with photoshop, re-print the design with your printer and paste it back. If your skills are good, people will think it's a rare variety.

I certainly can't change a long leaf 1982 gold panda to short leaf. N16

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2014, 01:39:20 AM »
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Don't you have a fear when those stickers start peeling off and discoloring with time?
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a week working hard and still not finished ...  :001_tongue:
  


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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2014, 02:44:17 AM »
Is not a simple color, following a tiger is bad color. This is the relief process. Re-colored, completely different from the ordinary work
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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2014, 04:39:10 AM »

a week working hard and still not finished ...  :001_tongue:

Awww.. This is just horrible; worse than 2013 expo medal's milk stains.

Did you just gave it to a 1-year-old kid? You should be thankful you got it back in one piece.


Is not a simple color, following a tiger is bad color. This is the relief process. Re-colored, completely different from the ordinary work

Why are most of the people I met here critics? Can't you take a little joke? N2


Leave it to WG!!!!! no wonder they are so expensive :)   LOL  he is hoarding the world's supply

Hoarding the world's supply? :w00t:

He should; I heard many children are wishing for coins with animal prints this christmas.

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2014, 04:43:55 AM »

o(∩_∩)o.
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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2014, 04:47:55 AM »
friends Your say there is certain sense, a lot of color silver in China is not good。
o(∩_∩)o.

It's good, it's a noble job. Color coins are easy & fast to manufacture and are great as (free) gifts.

Children like them very much.

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2014, 07:23:21 AM »
Awww.. This is just horrible; worse than 2013 expo medal's milk stains.

Did you just gave it to a 1-year-old kid? You should be thankful you got it back in one piece.


Why are most of the people I met here critics? Can't you take a little joke? N2


Hoarding the world's supply? :w00t:

He should; I heard many children are wishing for coins with animal prints this christmas.
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Well there is an old saying about not being able to fix dumb:) One thing I am willing to wager on is that milk stained expo medal is not going to appreciate anywhere from here , if I had my choice between having 10 of them bought at issue price ,or lets just be fair 10 2014 colorized lunar horses with a huge mintage of 120,000,and knowing what I know to be facts ,not rambling  :) as an investment   I would pick the horse It has already doubled in value in six months!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-china-coloured-horse-silver-coin-/191105642550?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item2c7ec8b036   facts are stubborn my good friend and very hard to argue with:)

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2014, 07:23:51 AM »
Well there is an old saying about not being able to fix dumb:) One thing I am willing to wager on is that milk stained expo medal is not going to appreciate anywhere from here , if I had my choice between having 10 of them bought at issue price ,or lets just be fair 10 2014 colorized lunar horses with a huge mintage of 120,000,and knowing what I know to be facts ,not rambling  :) as an investment   I would pick the horse It has already doubled in value in six months!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-china-coloured-horse-silver-coin-/191105642550?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item2c7ec8b036   facts are stubborn my good friend and very hard to argue with:)

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2014, 08:20:24 AM »
Well there is an old saying about not being able to fix dumb:) One thing I am willing to wager on is that milk stained expo medal is not going to appreciate anywhere from here , if I had my choice between having 10 of them bought at issue price ,or lets just be fair 10 2014 colorized lunar horses with a huge mintage of 120,000,and knowing what I know to be facts ,not rambling  :) as an investment   I would pick the horse It has already doubled in value in six months!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-china-coloured-horse-silver-coin-/191105642550?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item2c7ec8b036   facts are stubborn my good friend and very hard to argue with:)

You know, you could be more convincing with a CLOSED auction.

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2014, 09:30:01 AM »
2014 CHINA S10Y HORSE LUNAR 1OZ SILVER COLORIZED:
NGC PF68 ULTRA CAMEO - sold 08 Jan 2014 for US$110
NGC PF69 ULTRA CAMEO - sold 28 Jan 2014 for US$179


2013 EXPO PANDA MEDALS:
1oz - PCGS MS70 - sold 22 Mar 2014 for US$850
1oz - PCGS MS70 - sold 08 Mar 2014 for US$888
2oz - unslabbed - sold 24 Feb 2014 for US$490
2oz - NGC M66 - sold 13 Jan 2014 for US$237


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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2014, 09:38:16 AM »
you are looking to far back look at solds from the last month

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2014, 09:52:45 AM »
you are looking to far back look at solds from the last month

I can't find any red horsey coin sold this month or last month. Maybe they're unpopular?

Don't worry, wait till christmas, it could pass off as a reindeer.

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2014, 04:24:10 PM »
Collectors buy coins they like and investors buy coins that other investors like to buy.
 
Currently the average market valuation of MCC first series silver colored lunar coins is about the same or higher than first series silver flower lunar coins. The mintage of colored lunar is 100,000 while the flower lunar is 6,800. Clearly, this suggests that the collectors as well as investors, especially inside China, like colored coins more than nature color silver coin.

All pre-2000 colored coins issued by China Mint were made at Swiss Mint. They were made with special minting process. I have not seen any
color change or fading.   

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2014, 08:19:38 PM »
+1 poconopenn ,Chinese collectors love colored coins ,the 2014 Horse has doubled in value in the last month purely on demand from inside China , 2 very reputable dealers in shanghai have both told me the same thing!

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2014, 09:20:16 PM »
What about the 97 to 99 colored silver pandas.  They do not seem to be very popular and may have been some of the first colored..........

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2014, 09:35:05 PM »
I think david had a great thread going on the rarity of i believe it was the 97 colored panda

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2014, 09:44:27 PM »
colorized coin lovers! the Red mansion set minted in 2000 1 of a trilogy minted in 2000,2002,2003

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2014, 09:49:23 PM »
cant get pic loaded:(

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2014, 10:05:19 PM »
2002 red mansion

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2014, 10:16:50 PM »
2003 dream of red mansions who says colored coins are not beautiful N27


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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2014, 10:29:20 PM »
I believe I paid 800 yuan per set in 2006 in peking ,the 2000 set by far is the most sought after ,not too bad appreciation :) no ?
lets see what the expo coin does 8 years from now:)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2003-China-A-Dream-Of-Red-Mansion-3rd-Set-NGC-PF69UC-4-Coins-/270730332797?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item3f08c90a7d

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2014, 02:43:43 AM »
2003 dream of red mansions who says colored coins are not beautiful N27

As at now, nobody said that colored coins (in mint condition) are not beautiful. I don't know where you get that from. :confused1:

Those women colored coins are sure beautiful, but as a coin it is a waste as it is too small to admire the intricate details. Those colored stickers of women would be better off as large A3 size paintings/posters.


I believe I paid 800 yuan per set in 2006 in peking ,the 2000 set by far is the most sought after ,not too bad appreciation :) no ?
lets see what the expo coin does 8 years from now:)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2003-China-A-Dream-Of-Red-Mansion-3rd-Set-NGC-PF69UC-4-Coins-/270730332797?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item3f08c90a7d

That was, 800 yuan for 4 colored coins, each would be about US$125 in 2006, as per your input. Now I found 1 ebay open auction item #371025142494 (ending 15 Apr 2014), offer 1 set of the 2000 colored coins of red mansion women for sale at US$768. Assuming if really sold, that would be US$192 as current value per coin, after 14 years of appreciation; which is kind of slow appreciation rate when compared to...

2013 EXPO PANDA MEDALS: (current market values within span of 5 months from Oct 2013)
1oz - PCGS MS70 - sold 22 Mar 2014 for US$850
1oz - PCGS MS70 - sold 08 Mar 2014 for US$888
2oz - unslabbed - sold 24 Feb 2014 for US$490
2oz - NGC M66 - sold 13 Jan 2014 for US$237


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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2014, 06:29:49 AM »
You mis-understood contrapunctus ,the sets where purchased in 2006 ,8 years ago NOT 14 ,THE PURCHASE PRICE; 800 rmb per SET ,the apx exchange rate in 2006 was 8.3 RMB TO 1USD  so less than 100 usd per set ........... oh and BTW they are not stickers ,and trust me the intricate beauty of these coins can be seen perfectly ,but beauty is in the eye of the beholder ,some folks find beauty in a milk stained medal with a decent design at best ,SOME DONT:) facts are very stubborn ..................

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2014, 08:29:58 AM »
Color is a no-no in numismatics.

Contra,
little joke for you... ;-)
If color is a no-no.. Why do you collect the white painted 2013 Expo Pandas?

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2014, 08:55:04 AM »
You mis-understood contrapunctus ,the sets where purchased in 2006 ,8 years ago NOT 14 ,THE PURCHASE PRICE; 800 rmb per SET ,the apx exchange rate in 2006 was 8.3 RMB TO 1USD  so less than 100 usd per set ........... oh and BTW they are not stickers ,and trust me the intricate beauty of these coins can be seen perfectly ,but beauty is in the eye of the beholder ,some folks find beauty in a milk stained medal with a decent design at best ,SOME DONT:) facts are very stubborn ..................

Whether it's 8 years or 14 years, red mansion women coins' appreciation rate is still slow. N7

Trust me, I never deny they're beautiful but they're beautiful in the "wrong way". N25


Contra,
little joke for you... ;-)
If color is a no-no.. Why do you collect the white painted 2013 Expo Pandas?

Haha, this is funny. Because the expo pandas are not color coins. White paint or white stains or white sticker? You can't seem to differentiate. N16

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2014, 09:23:55 AM »
look contrapunctas...........I have been collecting and buying and selling coins MCC for a long time and everyone is entitled to their opinion for me a milk stained expo coin is not my cup of tea that all ,but please when it comes to fact,s lets not be selective ok  ,NGC expo medal 68 grade 180 that is issue price plus grading fee,s ...pcgs 68 150usd that is below the cost of the coin and grading FEES.......... so please lets call it correctly ,here is more than a dozen recent sold on the milk spot expo that are undeniable proof that the coin has close to zero appreciation and it appears to me is on the downward  side of the hill FACT AND FACT ONLY!
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=2013+expo+panda+shanghai&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2014, 10:59:58 AM »
look contrapunctas...........I have been collecting and buying and selling coins MCC for a long time and everyone is entitled to their opinion for me a milk stained expo coin is not my cup of tea that all ,but please when it comes to fact,s lets not be selective ok  ,NGC expo medal 68 grade 180 that is issue price plus grading fee,s ...pcgs 68 150usd that is below the cost of the coin and grading FEES.......... so please lets call it correctly ,here is more than a dozen recent sold on the milk spot expo that are undeniable proof that the coin has close to zero appreciation and it appears to me is on the downward  side of the hill FACT AND FACT ONLY!
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=2013+expo+panda+shanghai&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc

Wrong, when it is MS70 it was sold for US$800+. And that is only 1oz.

Surely US$140 is not the mint's issue price.

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #39 on: April 03, 2014, 11:11:58 AM »
I give up ..............over and out ................. you insist on ignoring fact's

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #40 on: April 03, 2014, 01:34:35 PM »
I give up ..............over and out ................. you insist on ignoring fact's

Don't steal my line.

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2014, 06:14:32 PM »
China has some color price is very high. Do not know why
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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #42 on: April 05, 2014, 03:37:17 AM »
China has some color price is very high. Do not know why

Example? Post sold prices and dates too.

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #43 on: April 06, 2014, 08:33:43 AM »
 N16 Very similar design to lucky's medal


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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #44 on: April 06, 2014, 09:38:41 AM »
N16 Very similar design to lucky's medal



http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=2790133-012

Coin Information
Date/Info: 2000 CHINA DRAGON COLORIZED
Denomination: S10Y
Grade: PF 69 ULTRA CAMEO

Additional Information
NGC Coin Price Guide: $250.00
Total Graded at 69: 439

After 14 years, it only rose to US$250??? :tongue_smilie:

Graded population is quite high too.

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #45 on: April 06, 2014, 09:59:29 AM »
:) try to buy one for $250 .I will pay you $ 300 for everyone you find and sell them for $400 the moment I get them...........enough said

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #46 on: April 06, 2014, 03:20:46 PM »
:) try to buy one for $250. I will pay you $ 300 for everyone you find and sell them for $400 the moment I get them...........enough said

YEP! I agree! A couple of years ago, these colored dragons in 69 grade, were fetching $700.

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #47 on: April 06, 2014, 07:10:35 PM »
This Shenzhen mint 2000 dragon medal has two pandas on the back... Is Peter Anthony going to include it in a future edition of his book?

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #48 on: April 07, 2014, 04:46:52 AM »
:) try to buy one for $250 .I will pay you $ 300 for everyone you find and sell them for $400 the moment I get them...........enough said

"Opinions are free but facts are sacred" - C. P. Scott. :thumbup1:

Can you post sold/realized amount of a closed auction and date?

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #49 on: April 07, 2014, 06:30:35 AM »
"Opinions are free but facts are sacred" - C. P. Scott. :thumbup1:

Can you post sold/realized amount of a closed auction and date?

1983 and 1985 china gold panda
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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #50 on: April 07, 2014, 08:45:21 AM »
1983 and 1985 china gold panda

Are those 2 colorized coins? Before you lose track, we are talking about colorized coins in this thread.

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #51 on: April 07, 2014, 11:20:30 AM »
But I read from this thread that colorized coins are unpopular, even in China. Especially the doomed 1999. I'll be sure to avoid that coin. :tongue_smilie:

Even a so-called "key date" 1997 S5Y Color Silver Panda PF69 was sold for US$199. What kind of "key date" gets sold for US$199? N7

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Don't worry.  There are plenty of Colorized Panda around in China.  Someone once tried to dump 500 of 1999, but nobody wants it since almost no demand in China.  However,  97 1/2oz is different story.
...In the next couple of days,  I found 1 post was selling 500 1999 for $70(450RMB) a piece on xx007.cn.  I thought it was a great deal, but after talking to a local buddy, he advised don't touch these coins due to poor quanlity, lack of demand and big hoarding...
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=2145.0

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #52 on: April 07, 2014, 09:27:44 PM »

Even a so-called "key date" 1997 S5Y Color Silver Panda PF69 was sold for US$199. What kind of "key date" gets sold for US$199? N7


Uhm, the kind I like to buy in large quantities?

But in actuality one of those sales you refer to was a 1997 S5Y Colored Panda 'PF 69' for US$199 (not an Ultra Cameo). The current ask on a 1997 S5Y Colored Panda 'PF 69 Cameo' is US$199 with no Ultra Cameo available for sale. In fact there is only one graded 1997 S5Y Colored Panda for sale on ebay right now.

Only two 1997 S5Y Colored Panda PF 69 UC have sold since January. Only two graded 2001 Panda Small Date, a 69 and 70, (a Key Date) have sold since January. But the 2001 Small Date 69 is several times the price of the 1997 S5Y Colored Panda PF 69 UC.


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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #53 on: April 07, 2014, 10:55:50 PM »
Uhm, the kind I like to buy in large quantities?

But in actuality one of those sales you refer to was a 1997 S5Y Colored Panda 'PF 69' for US$199 (not an Ultra Cameo). The current ask on a 1997 S5Y Colored Panda 'PF 69 Cameo' is US$199 with no Ultra Cameo available for sale. In fact there is only one graded 1997 S5Y Colored Panda for sale on ebay right now.

Only two 1997 S5Y Colored Panda PF 69 UC have sold since January. Only two graded 2001 Panda Small Date, a 69 and 70, (a Key Date) have sold since January. But the 2001 Small Date 69 is several times the price of the 1997 S5Y Colored Panda PF 69 UC.



David, just an aside, what are the differences between an UC and a regular proof? I would very much appreciate your help on this. Thanks.

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #54 on: April 07, 2014, 11:24:29 PM »
Apparently it is the difference between the frosted and mirrored fields, as this article suggests
http://coins.about.com/od/coingrading/tp/Grading-Cameo-Contrast-On-US-Proof-Coins.htm

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #55 on: April 08, 2014, 04:04:29 AM »
Uhm, the kind I like to buy in large quantities?

But in actuality one of those sales you refer to was a 1997 S5Y Colored Panda 'PF 69' for US$199 (not an Ultra Cameo). The current ask on a 1997 S5Y Colored Panda 'PF 69 Cameo' is US$199 with no Ultra Cameo available for sale. In fact there is only one graded 1997 S5Y Colored Panda for sale on ebay right now.

Only two 1997 S5Y Colored Panda PF 69 UC have sold since January. Only two graded 2001 Panda Small Date, a 69 and 70, (a Key Date) have sold since January. But the 2001 Small Date 69 is several times the price of the 1997 S5Y Colored Panda PF 69 UC.

That's for you.

For me, it's the kind of coins I would avoid. I call it low-yielding coins. Hard to find, hard to sell, low profits when sold.

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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #56 on: May 04, 2014, 11:37:01 AM »
this medal now I sell very good.and so rare.
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Re: Shenzhen Mint 2000 Lunar Dragon 40mm china coin medal
« Reply #57 on: June 04, 2014, 01:58:34 PM »
nice.