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Silver Panda 2001D SMALL D
« on: February 18, 2014, 12:57:46 PM »
I have been trying to follow the evolution of this variety.
Has anyone been keeping tally of the actual population ?

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Re: Silver Panda 2001D SMALL D
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2014, 08:39:28 PM »
There are currently 49 graded by PCGS 1=ms66, 1=ms68, 35= ms69, 12-ms70. NGC has graded 76. 2=ms68, 71=ms69, and 3 at ms70. They are still very few and very far between. 

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Re: Silver Panda 2001D SMALL D
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2014, 02:50:32 AM »
Personally I have crossed 10 from NGC over to PCGS.
So that would lower the NGC tally by 10.


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Re: Silver Panda 2001D SMALL D
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2014, 06:19:06 AM »
There are currently 49 graded by PCGS 1=ms66, 1=ms68, 35= ms69, 12-ms70. NGC has graded 76. 2=ms68, 71=ms69, and 3 at ms70. They are still very few and very far between. 

this alone is a testament to PCGS LOWER GRADING STANDARD imho ,look at the population of NGC ms70 for the same coin:)

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Re: Silver Panda 2001D SMALL D
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2014, 06:22:53 AM »
this alone is a testament to PCGS LOWER GRADING STANDARD imho ,look at the population of NGC ms70 for the same coin:)

I heard that PCGS opened their Hong Kong office about the same time that the Small D variety was discovered.  Don't know if this is true.
Seems to me like it would be a good time to give higher than usual grades to attract new customers if indeed that was the case.

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Re: Silver Panda 2001D SMALL D
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2014, 09:33:17 AM »
Peter has some interesting insights into populations of the small D, in the most recent Pricepedia.  Mostly focusing on the price differential btw the US vs. China, whereas pricing in the US is 40% higher than China.  This is mainly due to the fact that the "D" was not widely distributed outside China, and therefore is much scarcer vs. inside China.

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Re: Silver Panda 2001D SMALL D
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2014, 09:37:08 AM »
Peter has some interesting insights into populations of the small D, in the most recent Pricepedia.  Mostly focusing on the price differential btw the US vs. China, whereas pricing in the US is 40% higher than China.  This is mainly due to the fact that the "D" was not widely distributed outside China, and therefore is much scarcer vs. inside China.

Yes, I did notice that in this week's pricepedia.
But considering these are 2001 and we are now 2014, I am just wondering how many can actually still be out there.
Are the 2001 Large D OMP sheets still readily available ?

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Re: Silver Panda 2001D SMALL D
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2014, 11:09:22 AM »
Peter has some interesting insights into populations of the small D, in the most recent Pricepedia.  Mostly focusing on the price differential btw the US vs. China, whereas pricing in the US is 40% higher than China.  This is mainly due to the fact that the "D" was not widely distributed outside China, and therefore is much scarcer vs. inside China.

You mean, the small D is common inside China?

Do you have the mintages of small D and big D?

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Re: Silver Panda 2001D SMALL D
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2014, 12:28:25 PM »
The 2001 Large D is still available in China, Shanghai, in multiples at many dealers and in sheets as well. But the 2001 Small d seems very rare. I've bought one recently but been looking for more.

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Re: Silver Panda 2001D SMALL D
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2014, 12:52:55 PM »
The 2001 Large D is still available in China, Shanghai, in multiples at many dealers and in sheets as well. But the 2001 Small d seems very rare. I've bought one recently but been looking for more.


I have been looking everywhere for 2001 Small D sheets, but I cannot find any
I am not so certain there are many

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Re: Silver Panda 2001D SMALL D
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2014, 01:07:14 PM »
The 2001 Large D is still available in China, Shanghai, in multiples at many dealers and in sheets as well. But the 2001 Small d seems very rare. I've bought one recently but been looking for more.


Assume all ungraded coins/medals as fake, especially in China, unless graded authentic by PCGS/NGC.

Even dealers are not to be trusted.

My friend trusted a dealer with 20 years experience who sold my friend 5 fake Queen Victoria coins as genuine. When sent for grading, all returned as "unverifiable".

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Re: Silver Panda 2001D SMALL D
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2014, 02:13:11 AM »
I have been looking everywhere for 2001 Small D sheets, but I cannot find any
I am not so certain there are many

geoxxx, I found and bought 1 coin, 2001 Small d, after looking for a long time. Not a sheet.

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Re: Silver Panda 2001D SMALL D
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2014, 02:18:08 AM »
geoxxx, I found and bought 1 coin, 2001 Small d, after looking for a long time. Not a sheet.


Yes, I am certain that graded coins can be found.
I would be afraid of sole coins in wrappers as there are many fakes in China.
But I have not seen any mint sheets.

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Re: Silver Panda 2001D SMALL D
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2014, 02:21:17 AM »
Assume all ungraded coins/medals as fake, especially in China, unless graded authentic by PCGS/NGC.

Even dealers are not to be trusted.

My friend trusted a dealer with 20 years experience who sold my friend 5 fake Queen Victoria coins as genuine. When sent for grading, all returned as "unverifiable".


Contra, sorry about your friend. I appreciate your concern, but I will keep buying good OMP and raw coins in Europe and at good dealers in China. Especially if I will find another 2001 Small d. :)

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Re: Silver Panda 2001D SMALL D
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2014, 02:23:39 AM »

Contra, sorry about your friend. I appreciate your concern, but I will keep buying good OMP and raw coins in Europe and at good dealers in China. Especially if I will find another 2001 Small d. :)

I have been buying OMP sheets from China for years. From reliable dealers.
I have never hit on a fake.  But I have seen many fakes out there.
You just need to be very careful about who you deal with.