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2001 D Gold Panda 100 Yuan - No Foot
« on: October 25, 2013, 04:26:58 PM »
I was sifting thru some coins today and noticed that my OMP 2001D 1/4 was missing a foot.  In comparison is one I have graded.

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Re: 2001 D Gold Panda 100 Yuan - No Foot
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2013, 04:27:50 PM »
Graded version

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Re: 2001 D Gold Panda 100 Yuan - No Foot
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2013, 04:28:32 PM »
The fur around the neck is also different.

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Re: 2001 D Gold Panda 100 Yuan - No Foot
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2013, 05:16:28 PM »
Could you please post photos of both coins, complete instead of cutoff on the graded one?

There seem to be quite a few differences ( nose, front legs, bamboo, belly, 0, )  and it would be great to be able to compare them fully.
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Re: 2001 D Gold Panda 100 Yuan - No Foot
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2013, 05:21:41 PM »
Hmmm, that seems to be a variation of the "sparse-rear" which is already quite hard to find.  Here are the picture of "sparse-rear" that I posted somewhere vs the "filled-rear".  The NGC numbers are embedded in the filenames.

NGC is very slow today.  I'll search the database when it is faster.

Edit:  Here are the discussion regarding the various 2001D varieties:  http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=2193.msg47398#msg47398

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Re: 2001 D Gold Panda 100 Yuan - No Foot
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2013, 08:59:14 PM »
Sandac,

What is the approximate ratio of Sparse Rear to Regular Rear on these 2001 D G100 Y Pandas

I have what appears to be the Sparse Rear  2001 D I need to send in for grading.

Is NGC recognizing hits variety?

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Re: 2001 D Gold Panda 100 Yuan - No Foot
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2013, 10:18:40 PM »
This is very similar to PAN 342B on the half ounce coin.

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Re: 2001 D Gold Panda 100 Yuan - No Foot
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2013, 08:58:46 PM »
Sandac,

What is the approximate ratio of Sparse Rear to Regular Rear on these 2001 D G100 Y Pandas

I have what appears to be the Sparse Rear  2001 D I need to send in for grading.

Is NGC recognizing hits variety?

Thanks
Utah3
I'll use Peter's terminology where applicable.  The "filled rear" is referred as "shaded bamboo" on page 240 of the 2nd edition.  PAN 342B is a picture of the 1/2oz gold 2001D, but the 1/4 oz is very similar. For the 1/4oz 2001D, the NGC population is dominated by shaded bamboo.  Out of the 30 specimen in my database, 23 are shaded bamboo.  Furthermore, there seems to be different variety distribution with respect to grade.  in MS69 grade, 17 out of 20 are shaded bamboo, but in lower grades, 6 out of 10 are shaded bamboo.  The sample size is small, but it seems to suggest that shaded bamboo grades better.  Another way of looking at it: if a non-shaded bamboo (sparse bamboo?) is graded at MS69, then you'll have both variety rarity PLUS grade rarity on your side.  I'm not able to find a sparse bamboo with missing foot.

I do not believe NGC have recognized the variety, although I think they should.  A 1/4 oz 2001D is either shaded bamboo or sparse bamboo.  There are no transitional varieties between these two.

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Re: 2001 D Gold Panda 100 Yuan - No Foot
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2013, 09:35:58 PM »
Thanks for the information SANDAC.

When I send my 2001 D G100Y, should I ask them designate the Sparse variety?

Newbie about these things.

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Re: 2001 D Gold Panda 100 Yuan - No Foot
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2013, 10:16:33 PM »
You will probably have more luck with getting the 2001D varieties recognized if you direct your request to Michael Corley. He is a very nice guy and will give you the  current NGC position on that variety being recognized. If you just put the variety on the submittal form, your chances of it being recognized is very slim. If you talk with Michael then he will know that there are collectors interested in that variety designation. The more of us that request the various varieties that appear in Peters second book, the better our chances of NGC recognizing them in the future. NGC has the book and they know about all of the varieties that Peter mentions. I have talked to Michael about some of them and he has told me that they are not recognizing them " now " but things can change. He suggested that I ask again in the future to see if things have changed. From that, I took him to mean that if enough people ask for a certain variety over time then they may start recognizing that variety. Those are only my thoughts and not a statement from Michael or NGC. I'm always interested in getting new 1/4 oz. gold Panda varieties recognized so good luck with this one. I'm working on the 1997 Striped Leg myself so if any members that have that variety were to ask Michael about it, that would not hurt my feelings. I'll have to check and see what my 2001Ds are and join in on this variety designation too.

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Re: 2001 D Gold Panda 100 Yuan - No Foot
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2013, 10:57:57 PM »
Thanks Russ

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Re: 2001 D Gold Panda 100 Yuan - No Foot
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2013, 12:01:56 AM »
I'll use Peter's terminology where applicable.  The "filled rear" is referred as "shaded bamboo" on page 240 of the 2nd edition.  PAN 342B is a picture of the 1/2oz gold 2001D, but the 1/4 oz is very similar. For the 1/4oz 2001D, the NGC population is dominated by shaded bamboo.  Out of the 30 specimen in my database, 23 are shaded bamboo.  Furthermore, there seems to be different variety distribution with respect to grade.  in MS69 grade, 17 out of 20 are shaded bamboo, but in lower grades, 6 out of 10 are shaded bamboo.  The sample size is small, but it seems to suggest that shaded bamboo grades better.  Another way of looking at it: if a non-shaded bamboo (sparse bamboo?) is graded at MS69, then you'll have both variety rarity PLUS grade rarity on your side.  I'm not able to find a sparse bamboo with missing foot.

I do not believe NGC have recognized the variety, although I think they should.  A 1/4 oz 2001D is either shaded bamboo or sparse bamboo.  There are no transitional varieties between these two.

Thanks for the info Sandac.  I guess there should be three varieties.  Shaded, sparse and sparse with no foot.  I will keep searching for other examples.

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Re: 2001 D Gold Panda 100 Yuan - No Foot
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2013, 12:27:16 AM »
Could you please post photos of both coins, complete instead of cutoff on the graded one?

There seem to be quite a few differences ( nose, front legs, bamboo, belly, 0, )  and it would be great to be able to compare them fully.

The graded one is 3621875-006

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Re: 2001 D Gold Panda 100 Yuan - No Foot
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2013, 12:59:35 PM »
I'll use Peter's terminology where applicable.  The "filled rear" is referred as "shaded bamboo" on page 240 of the 2nd edition.  PAN 342B is a picture of the 1/2oz gold 2001D, but the 1/4 oz is very similar. For the 1/4oz 2001D, the NGC population is dominated by shaded bamboo.  Out of the 30 specimen in my database, 23 are shaded bamboo.  Furthermore, there seems to be different variety distribution with respect to grade.  in MS69 grade, 17 out of 20 are shaded bamboo, but in lower grades, 6 out of 10 are shaded bamboo.  The sample size is small, but it seems to suggest that shaded bamboo grades better.  Another way of looking at it: if a non-shaded bamboo (sparse bamboo?) is graded at MS69, then you'll have both variety rarity PLUS grade rarity on your side.  I'm not able to find a sparse bamboo with missing foot.

I do not believe NGC have recognized the variety, although I think they should.  A 1/4 oz 2001D is either shaded bamboo or sparse bamboo.  There are no transitional varieties between these two.

SANDAC,

I've just found this thread again...Could you check your database regarding the 2001D G1oz 500Y?  I have a high grade version of what I think is the sparse rear (non-shaded bamboo?); I recall that I submitted 4 of them from the same sheet to be graded (three MS69 and one MS70).  I'm curious what the variety distribution is for the other 64 of the 2001D G500Y that are graded at NGC are, and whether the sparse rear (non-shaded bamboo) is also less common and lower graded in general for the G1 oz in additon to the G1/4?  Thanks.


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Re: 2001 D Gold Panda 100 Yuan - No Foot
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2013, 01:27:16 PM »
SANDAC,

I've just found this thread again...Could you check your database regarding the 2001D G1oz 500Y?  I have a high grade version of what I think is the sparse rear (non-shaded bamboo?); I recall that I submitted 4 of them from the same sheet to be graded (three MS69 and one MS70).  I'm curious what the variety distribution is for the other 64 of the 2001D G500Y that are graded at NGC are, and whether the sparse rear (non-shaded bamboo) is also less common and lower graded in general for the G1 oz in additon to the G1/4? 
I only have 38 2001D G500Y in my database.  They are all sparse bamboo (or non-shaded bamboo).  They are also all high-D (as reference to your posting http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=2193.msg47367#msg47367 and my collage of 2001D http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=2193.msg43487#msg43487)

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Re: 2001 D Gold Panda 100 Yuan - No Foot
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2013, 01:39:37 PM »
I only have 38 2001D G500Y in my database.  They are all sparse bamboo (or non-shaded bamboo).  They are also all high-D (as reference to your posting http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=2193.msg47367#msg47367 and my collage of 2001D http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=2193.msg43487#msg43487)

Interesting.  Thanks.

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Re: 2001 D Gold Panda 100 Yuan - No Foot
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2016, 07:21:41 AM »
I was sifting thru some coins today and noticed that my OMP 2001D 1/4 was missing a foot.  In comparison is one I have graded.

Here is another no foot 2001 D panda

NGC # 4323114-004

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Re: 2001 D Gold Panda 100 Yuan - No Foot
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2016, 04:25:14 PM »
I just sent in 3 2001 D 100Y pandas for grading.

Which foot is missing on this graded coin?

Is there fewer of the missing foot version graded?

Thanks
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