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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #60 on: November 30, 2011, 11:01:42 PM »
China has added extra coins to a series before. For example, the 3 yuan invention & discovery coins they added to the series. Is there any reason to think it's NOT part of the Chinese historical figures set? We can always move it out of the Historical figures series if later we decide it belongs somewhere else. What do you think?

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #61 on: November 30, 2011, 11:14:44 PM »
It has all the look and feel of a historical figure coin, just that it seems to be an after thought and certainly not consistent with the tone of the 1992 historical figures (female figures with gender equality and inter-racial overtone).  It is not part of my historical figure collection right now, but I'm certainly don't have any problem including it in the set.  Maybe I should include it in my own collection as well!  Like you say, we can always move it around later.

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #62 on: November 30, 2011, 11:27:30 PM »
OK, next question, has it been entered as a type into the CC yet? I don't think I have done it. I was just adding some more types to the pandas. The CC can do more than 1 organization method at the same time, so the pandas are going to be sorted by date, metal, size, etc. I've never tested that feature, so I'm sure I'll have to polish it once we find some issues with it, but it is working well so far.

We can organize the Historical figures series similarly, if we need to. The 1992 Zheng Chenggong might be able to get it's own type, just to show people that it is different. Maybe that's the best way to do it for now, until we figure out where to put it :)

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #63 on: November 30, 2011, 11:29:52 PM »
I just added it as CCT293, but under the main Chinese historical figures type, instead of with the 4 coin set.

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #64 on: November 30, 2011, 11:37:04 PM »
Yes, I think that's a good arrangement.  It will be a historical figure coin with an 'asterisk' by it, an oddity.

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #65 on: November 30, 2011, 11:44:08 PM »
http://www.chngc.net/main/D_JBBK/ShowDetail_8360.shtml

Sorry I can't translate.

1992年,“中国杰出历史人物”(第9组)突然转了个急弯。表现在两个方面:首先,按照时间顺序,清朝以后应该是民国,或者为20世纪风云人物,它却以历史上杰出女性人物为主,中间偏偏还夹了个“郑成功”;其他9组都统一“1金4银”模式,它大胆改革,加了1枚银币,形成“1金5银”的格局。1金为“武则天”,5银分别是“萧太后”、“王昭君”、“蔡文姬”、“花木兰”和“郑成功”。

Zheng Chenggong is included in the 5 silver coins set. In total there are 41 silver.


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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #66 on: November 30, 2011, 11:58:26 PM »
If we could get a photo of the 1992 box, it will be interesting to see if it has 5 places or 4 places for coins.

SANDAC, have you seen CCT25? I wrote up an overview of the big army and small army kublai khan, and I used your annotated images in a side-by-side arrangement so it would be easy to see. What do you think?

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #67 on: December 01, 2011, 12:01:24 AM »
I think we could use some cropped zooms on those kublai khan varieties. Have you seen the example I made of the 1995 panda that had a small closeup crop in the annotation, so when you hover over the annotation, it shows you a bigger version of the area under the annotation?

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #68 on: December 01, 2011, 12:04:24 AM »
http://www.chngc.net/main/D_JBBK/ShowDetail_8360.shtml

Sorry I can't translate.

1992年,“中国杰出历史人物”(第9组)突然转了个急弯。表现在两个方面:首先,按照时间顺序,清朝以后应该是民国,或者为20世纪风云人物,它却以历史上杰出女性人物为主,中间偏偏还夹了个“郑成功”;其他9组都统一“1金4银”模式,它大胆改革,加了1枚银币,形成“1金5银”的格局。1金为“武则天”,5银分别是“萧太后”、“王昭君”、“蔡文姬”、“花木兰”和“郑成功”。

Zheng Chenggong is included in the 5 silver coins set. In total there are 41 silver.

The Wibiya toolbar at the bottom of the screen translates that to this:

In 1992, "China's outstanding historical figures" (Section 9) suddenly turned a sharp bend. Manifested in two aspects: first, in chronological order, after the Qing Dynasty is the Republic, or the man of the 20th century, it has outstanding historical female characters based on the middle also happens clip a "Zheng Chenggong"; other 9 groups are unified "1 gold, 4 silver" mode, its bold reforms, added a silver to form a "1 gold, 5 silver," the pattern. 1 gold for "Wu Zetian", 5 silver are "Xiao Queen Mother," "Wang Zhaojun", "Cai Wenji", "Mulan" and "Zheng Chenggong."

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #69 on: December 01, 2011, 11:10:04 AM »
Ok, the Chinese author also shares the same puzzlement as I do.  He expressed it as "sharp detour" and "bold move", but the changes were limited to 1992 only.  By 1993, it is back to the old format.  So the 5 silver coins format of 1992 remains an anomaly with Zheng Chenggong as an real odd ball.  I think it is a good arrangement to assign it to CCT293 as you did.  AND, I am going to collect it as a part of the historical series.  It makes an interesting story.

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #70 on: December 01, 2011, 11:19:25 AM »
Me too. I regard it as part of the series

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #71 on: December 01, 2011, 11:23:13 AM »
Yes I saw the side-by-side photo under CCT25.  Very nice, I think that's where the introduction should be made for the varieties of KK.  I ran across a minor variation of the "big army", and I'll add it under the big army CCT31, but it may warrant elevation to varieties under CCT25.  For ID of these varieties, cropped zoom is a particularly useful technique.  How do I do that?

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #72 on: December 01, 2011, 11:40:13 AM »
The cropped zoom is done using links just like you did with the annotation on DiggingNorway's mismatched set, except it is done with images. Here are the two images for the 1995 panda cropped zoom thing I did as an example:

http://www.CC/wiki/index.php/File:IMG_0629.JPG

http://www.CC/wiki/index.php/File:1995_1_oz_silver_proof_panda_with_white_spots_of_death_3.jpg

The code I used in the annotation for the first file is very simple:

[[File:1995_1_oz_silver_proof_panda_with_white_spots_of_death_3.jpg|frame|This is not a zoom.‎ It is actually a 100% size crop...]]

As you can see, that contains a reference to the second file, the cropped zoom:

File:1995_1_oz_silver_proof_panda_with_white_spots_of_death_3.jpg

Basically, you just go to pixlr and crop out a small area of the full image, but you do not resize it at all. Images are already almost always shown much smaller than their full size, and the cropped "zoom" isn't really a zoom, it's just a part of the image being shown at full size. The "zoom" effect is easy to do, and very helpful.

I also have seen several other varieties of the Kublai Khan that I haven't published yet. Maybe I'll see if I can get someone to make photos of them for me, and I'll upload them to the Coin Compendium so we can compare all the varieties we have discovered.

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #73 on: December 01, 2011, 11:45:05 AM »
Oh, one more thing, I agree about putting the most important varieties as subtypes under the CCT25 Kublai Khan general type, but they should be only the most easily distinguished ones. So far, I haven't seen any other varieties as easily distinguished as the big army and small army, so I'm planning to call all my minor varieties just subtypes under the CCT31 big army type.

Eventually, we can identify every die used. They will all get their own type.

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #74 on: December 01, 2011, 12:07:29 PM »
OK, I figure out the zoom feature.  I actually uploaded a different file that's zoomed and then link to it using [[File:filename.jpg|frame|description]].  Check out the updated CCT32.