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Offline Birdman

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Identifying Chopmarks
« on: February 26, 2011, 07:56:09 PM »
Can anyone tell me something about the chop marks on these US trade dollars that I have?  I am assuming that some chop marks are rare or historically significant, while others are common and insignificant.  I'd love to be able tell the difference, and to be able to know more about the story of the coin's travel based on the chop marks.  Is there a photographic library of different chop marks out there?  Thanks!  At the moment my sole criterion on whether to buy a chop marked coin is whether it looks cool or not.  Not very sophisticated!

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Re: Identifying Chopmarks
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2011, 12:30:11 AM »
This is fascinating. If you find some resources on your own, please post them here in a followup. I'd be curious what you find out.

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Re: Identifying Chopmarks
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2011, 08:02:29 AM »
I can only tell you that the chopmark on the 2nd photo, 兆, means "million".

I don't know of any book or online resource about chopmarks, and I follow the same rule of thumb than you actually: if it looks cool and is outside of the field, I buy, otherwise I avoid it.

If somebody has some info I'd be very interested.

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Re: Identifying Chopmarks
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2011, 10:00:16 AM »
Thanks a "million" for the translation, dragondollar.

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Re: Identifying Chopmarks
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2011, 05:16:34 AM »
Here is a website about chopmarks: http://www.winsociety.org/newsletter/chopmarks/chopmarks.html
This is the only thing which I found till now. Hope it will help.

Those information are on this website above:

Information Sources:

Chopmarks by F.M. Rose, 1978.

Chopmark Collectors Club Newsletter, "Chopmark News", July 1990 through 2008:
- The Numismatic Scrapbook Magazine, July 1945, "The Trade Coins of the far East" by Arlie Slabaugh.
- The Numismatic Scrapbook Magazine, July 1960, "Chopmarks on Chinese Coins" by R.A. Leonard.
- El Duro by Adolfo Herrera, 1914, "Countermarks on Chinese Coins".
- "Sobre los Chap Marks o Contramarcas Chinas", by Manela Gonzalez Fuenteas.
- "Chop Marks Brand Chinese Coins" by Peter F. Hamilton.
- Coins Magazine, September 1970, "The Chop-marked Dollar" by Ray Young.

Best wishes, KONDi
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Re: Identifying Chopmarks
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2011, 03:24:23 PM »
Here is my latest purchase.  Can anyone tell me the meaning of one of its many chopmarks?
« Last Edit: May 26, 2011, 03:32:14 PM by Birdman »

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Re: Identifying Chopmarks
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2011, 03:38:42 PM »
Could you repost that as a regular image, so we can view it on the forum?

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Re: Identifying Chopmarks
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2011, 03:55:26 PM »
Try this .tiff version.  I didn't take the photo myself (the coin is being shipped as we speak). I'm trying to post the image I got from the seller.  I'm struggling a bit in finding the correct format.

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Re: Identifying Chopmarks
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2011, 04:12:13 PM »
Well that didn't seem to work either.  Try this ebay link...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_rdc=1&_trksid=p4340.l2557&item=150610374171&nma=true&rt=nc&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp5197.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D150610374171%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&si=gBNuOvrVyGQ8kE7cns4L%252FQdBCn0%253D

For future reference, how would you save the image in this ebay posting as a file that one could post on this forum.  I'm sure other members of this forum could benefit from that information. For some images on ebay, you can just right-click and save the image as a file (?jpg).  For other, like this one, I can only seem to copy it and paste it into a word document, not save it directly as a file...

thanks for the tech advise in advance!

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Re: Identifying Chopmarks
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2011, 04:57:18 PM »
The character near the eagle's neck looks like 百 (one hundred), the one below its claw is a 長 (meaning unclear in that context), and it looks like the tiny incuse chopmark near the wing is a 生 (life - again, meaning unclear...). I cannot read the chopmark on the leg.

On the obverse: behind the head of Liberty: 合, then 三 (3) on the arm, what looks like 利 (profit) below, and I cannot read the one under the olive branch (looks like 其 or 典?).

I think a native reader would be more helpful :)

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Re: Identifying Chopmarks
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2011, 09:30:35 PM »
For future reference, how would you save the image in this ebay posting as a file that one could post on this forum.  I'm sure other members of this forum could benefit from that information. For some images on ebay, you can just right-click and save the image as a file (?jpg).  For other, like this one, I can only seem to copy it and paste it into a word document, not save it directly as a file...

thanks for the tech advise in advance!

The forum will display normal JPEG images with the ".jpg" extension at the end. TIFF files are images files, but they're not suitable for use on websites, so the forum doesn't display them. You can google for an image converter, or just used pixlr to save it as a JPEG:

http://pixlr.com/

Here's the super easy version:

http://pixlr.com/express/

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Re: Identifying Chopmarks
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2011, 09:36:10 PM »
Thanks again, dragondollar.  Chop marks are very interesting.  I wonder how and why each Chinese merchant chose the chop he used.  I also imagine the history of multi-chopped coins like this one.  What was the series of transactions that it was used for (for rice? for spices? for porcelain? for guns?)? Cool stuff!

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Re: Identifying Chopmarks
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2011, 09:38:05 PM »
Badon,

Thanks for the tips on how to convert to the appropriate image file.  I'll use that resource next time.

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Re: Identifying Chopmarks
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2011, 09:56:40 PM »
Birdman,

Can you verify mott "In God We Trust" in 1874-CC trade dollar ? Your picture is not clear and looks like misspelled. Many fake trade dollars have incorrect spelling. Usually, chopmark represents the name of money store. For trade dollar, sometimes you can have chopmarks from China and Japan at the same coin. The chopmakrs on you coins are believed to be Chinese.

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Re: Identifying Chopmarks
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2011, 10:09:20 PM »
It looks like it says "IN GOY WE TRUST", but I agree, it's hard to see in the photo.