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Re: Actual mintages
« Reply #90 on: September 03, 2011, 09:44:22 PM »
I actually think the older data has more value as it reflects a time period where the coins traded freely with little to no regard for dates. Current and future data will be much less revealing, in my opinion. The immature market was a joy for information gathering.

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Re: Actual mintages
« Reply #91 on: September 03, 2011, 11:13:01 PM »
Hopefully, Huang Rui Yong will be able to shed light on the mintage numbers at some time in the future.

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Huang Rui Yong does have a puclished article giving ranking of all modern Chinese coins.

http://www.bjjb.net/11/dispbbs.asp?boardid=76&id=115107

Pandas are giving in Table 4. No silver BU panda was ranked. 1983-1985 proof silver pandas was assigned 3 stars, and 94, 95 and 91 piedfort 2 oz silver proof pandas ranked 2 stars. Other silver proof 1 oz pandas are 1 star. IMO, Chinese collectors just do not care too much about BU silver pandas.

It is my understanding, China Mint had not made any special coin or coin set for VIP since 1986. After 1986, Mint produced medals not coins as gift for VIP.      

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Re: Actual mintages
« Reply #92 on: September 03, 2011, 11:21:25 PM »
"Peter's initial assessment was that roughly 15,000 were struck, we now know better.....the fact is that when all the red tape cleared and the Chinese Gov. released the definitive Mintage figures for ALL Pandas(just a few short months ago),

Adamc4,
I find it difficult to believe the silver mirrors are rarer than the gold ones. You assert that the definitive mintage figures are out very strongly. Is this some kind of rumor? Where exactly is this information published? Do you have an official link or source  that backs up this bold claim?

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Re: Actual mintages
« Reply #93 on: September 03, 2011, 11:52:48 PM »
Coinslinger-

Did you hear of any revised/actual mintage figures for the other 2006 gold panda sizes? I wonder if they had a similarly lower final count too


"Here are a few sleepers that have surprising low LISTED mintages and shockingly low actual mintages along with poor survivability rates:

1. 2006 200Y 1/2 oz. Gold Panda... Listed mintage; 25,600. Revised/actual mintage; 13,770. "

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Re: Actual mintages
« Reply #94 on: September 04, 2011, 12:05:57 AM »
I'm not making any sort of claim, as I said in my post the text I quoted came from someone who flaked out on me on eBay. I think the numbers they claimed are absurd.

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Re: Actual mintages
« Reply #95 on: September 04, 2011, 12:16:42 AM »
Adamc4,
I find it difficult to believe the silver mirrors are rarer than the gold ones. You assert that the definitive mintage figures are out very strongly. Is this some kind of rumor? Where exactly is this information published? Do you have an official link or source  that backs up this bold claim?

It should be absolutely clear to everyone that it is NOT Adam who is the source of the quoted text. To the best of my knowledge there is no new published information from the Chinese Mint on older  mintages.

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Re: Actual mintages
« Reply #96 on: September 04, 2011, 12:46:23 AM »
I see. Thanks for the clarification. Was wondering where that came from. Something does appear to be up with 2006 and 2009 though. Wish I had more insight into that one. My apologies Adam.

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Re: Actual mintages
« Reply #97 on: September 04, 2011, 02:09:22 AM »
I had a protege that attempted to buy a mirrored gold 1 oz. A few months back using our company's eBay acct.  He has since moved back to Canada and no longer works for us.  But that definitely sounds like something he would do..... I think he thought he was helping me, but he obviously wasn't . 

As I stated earlier, I'm open to any hard data that finally proves the mintage figures for the 2000 Silver Mirrored Panda.  But it will not be anywhere near 15,000.

Another prime example, is the 2001-D 1 oz. Gold Panda..... I've seen mintage reports from so-called Modern Chinese coin experts, that claim there were 100,000 of these made.   We all now that's nonsense, don't we...?  I'll ask this rhetorically, what IS the mintage the 2001-D 500Y 1 oz. Gold Panda.....?


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Re: Actual mintages
« Reply #98 on: September 04, 2011, 02:12:55 AM »
The data on the 2006 1/2 oz. 200Y Gold Panda has actually been listed before, so I can't really take credit for that one.  I was mainly trying to point out some good future prospects.

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« Reply #99 on: September 04, 2011, 02:29:59 AM »
The data on the 2006 1/2 oz. 200Y Gold Panda has actually been listed before, so I can't really take credit for that one.  I was mainly trying to point out some good future prospects.

Where did you find that figure?

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Re: Actual mintages
« Reply #100 on: September 04, 2011, 02:44:47 AM »
The first time I recall hearing about the 2006 200Y Gold Panda was from a woman in SF by the name of Jin Ling.   But I'm pretty sure Mish has been preaching on these for some time.

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Re: Actual mintages
« Reply #101 on: September 04, 2011, 03:04:44 AM »

Another prime example, is the 2001-D 1 oz. Gold Panda..... I've seen mintage reports from so-called Modern Chinese coin experts, that claim there were 100,000 of these made.   We all now that's nonsense, don't we...?  I'll ask this rhetorically, what IS the mintage the 2001-D 500Y 1 oz. Gold Panda.....?

-CS

This figure is in general use for the 2001-D 500 Yuan mintage because it comes from the Chinese Mint itself, not any so-called expert. It is generally understood, but not officially recognized, that fewer 2001-D coins were minted than the authorized quantity. The gold coins are not so easy to find outside of China, so the question is what is the population within China?

I will try to remember to ask Mish for his take on the 2006 halves when I see him in a few days. 2006 was identified in print as a somewhat undervalued date not long ago.

Also, it's not clear to me if Jin Ling is your source for the 2006 mintage. If she is, where did she get her numbers from? Thanks.

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Peter Anthony
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Re: Actual mintages
« Reply #102 on: September 04, 2011, 03:09:45 AM »
I have some questions for the Chinese speaking members of the Forum concerning the list of rankings by Huang Rui Yong.  Some of the coins seem to be very poorly ranked.  For instance, and there are many, in the platinum section he gives 4 stars to the 1994, and 1995 1/20th Pandas along with the 1997 1/10th ounce Panda.  That is a big disparity in value.  The 1997 is far more valuable.  There seem to be many items in the rankings with this problem.  Can someone elaborate?  Am I losing something in the translation?

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Re: Actual mintages
« Reply #103 on: September 04, 2011, 03:26:26 AM »
The first time I recall hearing about the 2006 200Y Gold Panda was from a woman in SF by the name of Jin Ling.   But I'm pretty sure Mish has been preaching on these for some time.

Where does the hard number of 13,770 come from that vague reference?

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Re: Actual mintages
« Reply #104 on: September 04, 2011, 03:32:21 AM »
Are you actually disputing the listed mintage of the 2006 200Y?  Wow!  How could you NOT know that?  How many times have you been to China Mr. Anthony.....?  I know the answer to that too.  You guys are funny, anyone who comes out of the woodwork and calls any of you out.... You really take it personal.  I'm a P.I.  by  trade, so yeah, I'm going to have access to data, people, etc...etc... that you won't have.  It's nothing personal.

Pittsburgh should be a real eye opener for a lot of you.... I'll be bringing some guests and they would love the opportunity to sit down and discuss these matters with you.  There are some of you on this very forum who know exactly what I'm talking about.  Do I have an agenda?  Absolutely.

I'm just a big sucker for the truth.