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« on: August 19, 2008, 12:42:34 PM »
1979 International Children's Year 1/2oz gold coin - 12216  (planned: 13000)

1980 the 13th Winter Olympic Games 8g gold coin - 10143  (planned: 20000)

1980 the 13th Winter Olympic Games 16g (piedfort) gold coin - 360  (planned: 500)

1981 Year of the Rooster 8g gold coin - 5015  (planned: 5000)

1981 the 70th Anniversary of Xin Hai Revolution 1/2oz gold coin - 1338  (planned: 1500)

1982 the 12th Football World Cup 1/4oz gold coin - 1261  (planned: 1500)

1982 Year of the Dog 8g gold coin - 2535  (planned: 5000)

1983 Marco Polo 10g gold coin - 1033  (planned: 1500)

1983 Marco Polo 1g gold coin - 49553  (planned: 50000)

1983 Year of the Pig 8g gold coin - 2035  (planned: 5000)

1984 Chin Shihhuang 1/3oz gold coin - 10327  (planned: 25000)

1984 Year of the Rat 8g gold coin - 2248  (planned: 5000)

1985 Year of the Ox 8g gold coin - 4053  (planned: 5000)

1985 Confucius 1/3oz gold coin - 4300  (planned: 25000)

1986 Liu Bang 1/3oz gold coin - 4980  (planned: 25000)

1986 Year of the Tiger 8g gold coin - 4480  (planned: 5000)

1987 Li Shi Ming 1/3oz gold coin - 1300  (planned: 25000)

1987 Year of the Rabbit 8g gold coin - 4784  (planned: 5000)

1988 Endangered Wildlife 8g gold coin - 28700  (planned: 30000)

1988 Year of the Dragon 5oz gold coin - 518  (planned: 500)

1988 the 24th Summer Olympic Games 1/2oz gold coin - 5500  (planned: 10000)

1988 Zhao Kuang Ying 1/3oz gold coin - 2554  (planned: 25000)

1989 Endangered Wildlife 8g gold coin - 14004  (planned: 25000)

1989 the 40th Anniversary of the Founding of the P.R.C. 20oz gold coin - 105  (planned: 100)

1989 the 40th Anniversary of the Founding of the P.R.C. 1/4oz gold coin 10009  (planned: 15000)

1989 Genghis Khan 1/3oz gold coin - 3654  (planned: 25000)

1990 Zhu Yuan Zhang 1/3oz gold coin - 2164  (planned: 25000)

1990 Huang Di 1/3oz gold coin - 10000  (planned: 20000)

1990 Dragon & Phoenix 2oz gold coin - 2538  (planned: 2500)

1990 Taiwan Scenery 1st Issue 4 x 1/2oz gold coin set - 2004  (planned: 4000)

1990 Year of the Horse 8g gold coin - 7805  (planned: 7500)

1991 1992 the 16th Winter Olympic Games 1/3oz gold coin - 5000  (planned: 10000)

1991 the 1st Women Football World Cup 8g gold coin - 1404  (planned: 5000)

1991 the 10th Anniversary of the Issuance of Chinese Panda Gold Coins 5 kilo gold coin - 11  (planned: 10)

1991 the 1st Hong Kong International Coin Convention 1/4oz + 1/8oz Bi-metallic coin - 2003  (planned: 10000)

1991 Panda 1/4oz gold + 1/8oz silver Bi-metallic coin - 2003  (planned: 10000)

1991 Year of the Goat 8g gold coin - 7505  (planned: 7500)

1991 Kang Xi 1/3oz gold coin - 1084  (planned: 25000)

1992 1994 the 17th Winter Olympic Games 1/3oz gold coin - 1503  (planned: 10000)

1992 the 12th Anniversary of the Issuance of Chinese Lunar Animals 1 kilo gold coin - 21  (planned: 20)

1992 Panda proof gold coin set - 806  (planned: 2000)

1992 Endangered Wildlife 8g gold coin - 1509  (planned: 5000)

1992 Scientific & Technical Inventions & Discoveries of Ancient China 1st Issue Seismograph 1 kilo gold coin - 16  (planned: 10)

1992 Scientific & Technical Inventions & Discoveries of Ancient China 1st Issue 5 x 1oz gold coin set - 1001  (planned: 1000)

1992 Wu Zhe Tian 1/3oz gold coin - 2504  (planned: 25000)

1992 Year of the Monkey 8g gold coin - 5011  (planned: 5000)

1993 Mao Zhe Dong 1/3oz gold coin - 4503  (planned: 25000)

1993 Panda proof gold coin set - 2005  (planned: 2500)

1993 Taiwan Scenery 2nd Issue 4 x 1/2oz gold coin set - 503  (planned: 1000)

1993 Marco Polo 5oz gold coin - 104  (planned: 91)

1993 Scientific & Technical Inventions & Discoveries of Ancient China 2nd Issue 5 x 1/2oz gold coin set - 402  (planned: 1200)

1993 Scientific & Technical Inventions & Discoveries of Ancient China 2nd Issue Tai Ji 1oz gold coin - 303  (planned: 888)

1993 Scientific & Technical Inventions & Discoveries of Ancient China 2nd Issue Tai Ji 5oz gold coin - 102  (planned: 99)

1993 Scientific & Technical Inventions & Discoveries of Ancient China 2nd Issue Tai Ji 1/4oz gold coin - 3003  (planned: 20000)

1993 Year of the Rooster Flower Shaped 1/2oz gold coin - 2305  (planned: 2300)

1993 Possessing a Piece of Homeland gold coin set - 2003  (planned: 8888)

1993 Possessing a Piece of Homeland 5oz gold coin - 100  (planned: 99)

1994 Panda proof gold coin set - 903  (planned: 2500)

1994 Panda 1/10oz gold + 1/28oz silver Bi-metallic coin - 2503  (planned: 3000)

1994 Panda 1/4oz gold + 1/8oz silver Bi-metallic coin - 2403  (planned: 2500)

1994 Endangered Wildlife 8g gold coin - 753  (planned: 5000)

1994 Scientific & Technical Inventions & Discoveries of Ancient China 3rd Issue 5 x 1/2oz gold coin set - 754  (planned: 1200)

1994 Sino-Singapore Friendship 1 kilo gold coin - 19  (planned: 15)

1994 Sino-Singapore Friendship 5oz gold coin - 110  (planned: 128)

1994 Unicorn 1/20oz gold coin - 22007  (planned: 31100)

1994 Unicorn 1/10oz gold coin - 5107  (planned: 5100)

1994 Unicorn 1/4oz gold coin - 5107  (planned: 5100)

1994 Unicorn 1/2oz gold coin - 857  (planned: 1100)

1994 Unicorn 1oz gold coin - 1108  (planned: 1100)

1994 Unicorn 5oz gold coin - 63  (planned: 99)

1994 Unicorn 1 kilo gold coin - 20  (planned: 18)

1994 Unicorn 1/4oz gold + 1/8oz silver Bi-metallic coin - 514  (planned: 1100)

1995 the 50th Anniversary of the Victory of War Against Japan Invasion 1/2oz gold coin - 2504  (planned: 2500)

1995 the 50th Anniversary of the Victory of War Against Japan Invasion 1oz x 2 gold coin set - 1405  (planned: 1500)

1995 the 4th World Women Congress 1/3oz gold + 1/6oz silver Bi-metallic coin - 3004  (planned: 3000)

1995 the 43rd Table Tennis World Championship 1/3oz gold coin - 2003  (planned: 2000)

1995 the 50th Anniversary of the Founding of United Nations 1/2oz gold coin - 8504  (planned: 17500)

1995 the 50th Anniversary of the Recovery of Taiwan to China 1/2oz gold coin - 3003  (planned: 3000)

1995 the 50th Anniversary of the Recovery of Taiwan to China 1 kilo gold coin - 26  (planned: 25)

1995 the 50th Anniversary of the Recovery of Taiwan to China 5oz gold coin - 105  (planned: 99)

1995 Zheng Chenggong 5oz gold coin - 83  (planned: 99)

1995 Unicorn 1/20oz gold coin - 7004  (planned: 20000)

1995 Uniocrn 1/10oz gold coin - 2504  (planned: 5000)

1995 Unicorn 1/4oz gold coin - 2504  (planned: 5000)

1995 Unicorn 1/2oz gold coin - 1254  (planned: 2000)

1995 Unicorn 1oz gold coin - 504  (planned: 1500)

1995 Maritime Ancient China Series 2 x 1/2oz gold coin set - 206  (planned: 1000)

1995 Panda 1oz proof gold coin - 555  (planned: 2000)

1998 Guilin Scenery 4 x 1/2oz gold coin set - 904  (planned: 1600)

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Chinese modern silver coin - actual mintages

1979 International Children's Year 1oz silver coin - 13659  (planned: 15000)

1980 the 13th Winter Olympic Games 4 x 15g silver coin set - 5008  (planned: 5000)

1980 China Olympic Committee 4 x 15g silver coin set - 15000  (planned: 40000)

1981 the 70th Anniversary of Xin Hai Revolution 1oz silver coin - 3885  (planned: 4000)

1981 Year of the Rooster 15g silver coin - 10155  (planned: 10000)

1982 the 12th Football World Cup 2 x 1/2oz silver coin set - 20000  (planned: 40000)

1982 Year of the Dog 15g silver coin - 8825  (planned: 15000)

1983 Year of the Pig 15g silver coin - 6793  (planned: 10000)

1983 Marco Polo 2g silver coin - 7053  (planned: 70000)

1983 Marco Polo 22g silver coin - 15453  (planned: 15000)

1984 the 23rd Summer Olympic Games 1/4oz silver coin - 10100  (planned: 10000)

1984 the 23rd Summer Olympic Games 1/2oz silver coin - 4500  (planned: 6000)

1984 Year of the Rat 15g silver coin - 10592  (planned: 10000)

1984 Chinese Outstanding Historical Figures 1st Issue 4 x 22g silver coin set - 14401  (planned: 30000)

1985 the 30th Anniversary of the Founding of Xinjiang Uigur Autonomous Region 1oz silver coin - 1400  (planned: 3000)

1985 Year of the Ox 15g silver coin - 22489  (planned: 10000)

1986 Year of the Tiger 15g silver coin - 15461  (planned: 15000)

1986 International Year of Peace 27g silver coin - 1350  (planned: 1500)

1986 the 120th Anniversary of the Birth of Sun Yat-sen 27g silver coin - 8450  (planned: 8500)

1986 Chinese Outstanding Historical Figures 3rd Issue 4 x 22g silver coin set - 9675  (planned: 30000)

1987 Panda 5oz silver coin - 8540  (planned: 11000)

1987 Panda 1oz silver coin - 30720  (planned: 31000)

1987 Year of the Rabbit 15g silver coin - 14164  (planned: 10000)

1987 the 125th Anniversary of the Birth of Zhan Tianyou 12oz silver coin - 2911  (planned: 3000)

1987 Chinese Outstanding Historical Figures 4th Issue 4 x 22g silver coin set - 7350  (planned: 30000)

1988 the 15th Winter Olympic Games 27g silver coin - 10502  (planned: 10000)

1988 the 24th Summer Olympic Games 3 x 27g silver coin set - 20003  (planned: 20000)

1988 the 24th Summer Olympic Games 5oz silver coin - 3898  (planned: 5000)

1988 Year of the Dragon 15g silver coin - 15135  (planned: 15000)

1988 Year of the Dragon 5oz silver coin - 5014  (planned: 5000)

1988 Chinese Outstanding Historical Figures 5th Issue 4 x 22g silver coin set - 13500  (planned: 30000)

1988 Endangered Wildlife 1st Issue 2 x 27g silver coin set - 34600  (planned: 50000)

1989 Chinese Outstanding Historical Figures 6th Issue 4 x 22g silver coin set - 3879  (planned: 30000)

1989 Endangered Wildlife 2nd Issue 2 x 27g silver coin set - 10005  (planned: 30000)

1990 Dragon & Phoenix 20oz silver coin - 347  (planned: 1500)

1990 Dragon & Phoenix 1oz silver coin - 12014  (planned: 12000)

1990 Dragon & Phoenix 2oz silver coin - 7328  (planned: 5000)

1990 Dragon & Phoenix 2g silver coin - 55038  (planned: 50000)

1990 Year of the Horse 15g silver coin - 15005  (planned: 15000)

1990 Chinese Outstanding Historical Figures 7th Issue 4 x 22g silver coin set - 9629  (planned: 30000)

1991 Year of the Goat 15g silver coin - 15005  (planned: 15000)

1992 Chinese Outstanding Historical Figures 9th Issue 4 x 22g silver coin set - 19004  (planned: 30000)

1992 the 17th Winter Olympic Games 2 x 27g silver coin set - 15006  (planned: 30000)

1992 Scientific & Technical Inventions & Discoveries of Ancient China 1st Issue 5 x 22g silver coin set - 14708  (planned: 15000)

1992 Marco Polo 15g silver coin - 12000  (planned: 30000)

1992 Year of the Monkey 15g silver coin - 10013  (planned: 10000)

1992 Endangered Wildlife 3rd Issue 2 x 27g silver coin set - 7261  (planned: 15000)

1992 Chinese Outstanding Historical Figures Zheng Chenggong 20g silver coin - 10155  (planned: 20000)

1992 the 12th Anniversary of the Issuance of Chinese Lunar Animals 1 kilo silver coin - 185  (planned: 300)

1993 Scientific & Technical Inventions & Discoveries of Ancient China 2nd Issue 5 x 22g silver coin set - 8152  (planned: 15000)

1993 Year of the Rooster 1oz silver coin - 8000  (planned: 9000)

1993 Year of the Rooster 5oz silver coin - 1003  (planned: 1000)

1993 Year of the Rooster Flower Shaped 2/3oz silver coin - 6807  (planned: 6800)

1993 Taiwan Scenery 2nd Issue 4 x 15g silver coin set - 1003  (planned: 2000)

1993 Chinese Outstanding Historical Figures 10th Issue 4 x 22g silver coin set - 20056  (planned: 30000)

1994 Modern Chinese Famous Painting Series (bird) 2/3oz silver coin - 3908  (planned: 3900)

1994 Unicorn 20oz silver coin - 504  (planned: 500)

1994 Unicorn 12oz silver coin - 754  (planned: 2000)

1994 Unicorn 5oz silver coin - 754  (planned: 1500)

1994 Unicorn 1oz silver coin (proof) - 4403  (planned: 10000)

1994 Unicorn 1oz silver coin (BU) - 45007  (planned: 50000)

1994 Scientific & Technical Inventions & Discoveries of Ancient China 3rd Issue 5 x 22g silver coin set - 9104  (planned: 15000)

1994 Year of the Dog 5oz silver coin - 1003  (planned: 1000)

1994 Year of the Dog Flower Shaped 2/3oz silver coin - 6804  (planned: 6800)

1994 Endangered Wildlife 4th Issue 2 x 27g silver coin set - 4828  (planned: 15000)

1995 Modern Chinese Famous Painting Series (bird) 2/3oz silver coin - 2905  (planned: 3900)

1995 Unicorn 20oz silver coin - 103  (planned: 500)

1995 Unicorn 12oz silver coin - 223  (planned: 1500)

1995 Unicorn 5oz silver coin - 503  (planned: 1500)

1995 Unicorn 1oz silver coin - 4004  (planned: 8000)

1995 Chinese Traditional Culture 1st Issue 15g silver coin - 10004  (planned: 30000)

1995 Maritime Ancient China Series 2 x 27g silver coin set - 2006  (planned: 10000)

1995 Scientific & Technical Inventions & Discoveries of Ancient China 4th Issue 5 x 22g silver coin set - 10000  (planned: 15000)

1995 Dinosaur 2 x 27g silver coin set - 2500  (planned: 5000)

1995 the 50th Anniversary of the Founding of United Nations 27g silver coin - 55008  (planned: 115000)

1995 Year of the Pig Flower Shaped 2/3oz silver coin - 6803  (planned: 6800)

1995 the 50th Anniversary of the Recovery of Taiwan to China 5oz silver coin - 1002  (planned: 999)

1995 Zheng Chenggong 12oz silver coin - 151  (planned: 150)

1995 Zheng Chenggong 5oz silver coin - 253  (planned: 250)


Above information should be used only for reference.
If you found anything incorrect, please let me know asap.


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Re: Actual mintages
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2008, 02:42:24 PM »
Good information to have. Thank you.

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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2008, 01:48:27 PM »
Thanks!

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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2008, 09:23:56 PM »
Snowball:

What great information!  I'm curious how you came by these figures.

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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2008, 12:08:41 PM »
Snowball:

What great information!  I'm curious how you came by these figures.

Pecus

Hello Pecus

Most of these figures are from a Chinese coin book called 'Modern Chinese Coins and Medals Catalog' by Mr. Ge, a senior numismatist in China.  So far, this is the only coin book with actual mintage information.  However, it might have some incorrect figures, so once again, pls use them only for reference.    :)
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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2008, 05:35:54 PM »
Snowball:

One reason I ask is that I own one of the 1995 12 oz silver Unicorns, coa #1446.  But according to your mintage list, only 223 of these coins were supposedly made.  So you're right to advise people to take these mintage figures with a grain of salt.  (Don't get me wrong; I'm quite pleased to learn that a highly regarded coin enthusiast believes only 223 were made.  But then why would there be coa's with much higher numbers?)

Perhaps we could get your source to join this internet coin community?

Thanks again for all your hard work on our behalf.
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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2008, 07:15:30 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2008, 09:32:38 PM »
Snowball:

One reason I ask is that I own one of the 1995 12 oz silver Unicorns, coa #1446.  But according to your mintage list, only 223 of these coins were supposedly made.  So you're right to advise people to take these mintage figures with a grain of salt.  (Don't get me wrong; I'm quite pleased to learn that a highly regarded coin enthusiast believes only 223 were made.  But then why would there be coa's with much higher numbers?)

Perhaps we could get your source to join this internet coin community?

Thanks again for all your hard work on our behalf.
Pecus

Hi Pecus,
I have followed the unicorn series for many years, and not sure if you have noticed that 1995 12oz silver unicorn is extremely scarce in the market.  I have only seen 2 sold on Ebay, and 2 on HA in the past five years.   During the same period, 20+ 1994 1oz gold unicorns (mintage: 1100) and 10+ 1994 20oz silver unicorns (mintage: 500) had been traded.  I don't know how Mr. Ge found the figure of 223 for the 1995 12oz, but I also doubt about the figure of 1500.   ;D

I think we are still at the early stage of Chinese modern coin collecting.  Planned and actual mintage is the most discussed topic among Chinese modern coin collectors these days. 
I also doubt about several figures in the list, such as 1994 gold+silver Bi-metallic unicorn at 514.
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2008, 01:37:00 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2008, 02:01:34 AM »
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Hi Pecus,
I have followed the unicorn series for many years, and not sure if you have noticed that 1995 12oz silver unicorn is extremely scarce in the market.  I have only seen 2 sold on Ebay, and 2 on HA in the past five years.   During the same period, 20+ 1994 1oz gold unicorns (mintage: 1100) and 10+ 1994 20oz silver unicorns (mintage: 500) had been traded.  I don't know how Mr. Ge found the figure of 223 for the 1995 12oz, but I also doubt about the figure of 1500.   ;D

I think we are still at the early stage of Chinese modern coin collecting.  Planned and actual mintage is the most discussed topic among Chinese modern coin collectors these days. 
I also doubt about several figures in the list, such as 1994 gold+silver Bi-metallic unicorn at 514.

Yes you or your friend (?), did well with the 12oz 1995 Unicorn score  :thumbup1:

Unfortunately, the book only goes up to 1995, not beyond...
There has got to be some truth to what he is indicating. It would be GREAT to have contact with him and hear more.. For one night only an interview with.... MRRR GEEEE

Anyway, my question, say there were only 223 minted- how likely is it that the Chinese Mint will mint another 277 at some stage? Is it very unlikely? (disclosure: pure speculation)

I'll conclude on the note and echo what another person said- let's go find and interview Mr Gee. :w00t:

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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2008, 10:05:06 PM »
Anyone know the actual mintage of the 1995 silver proof 1 oz panda? I'm trying to figure out why it's worth so much more than the 1996.

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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2008, 04:57:56 PM »
Anyone know the actual mintage of the 1995 silver proof 1 oz panda? I'm trying to figure out why it's worth so much more than the 1996.

I have been trying to figure that out for years!   :001_tongue: :confused1:
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« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2008, 11:49:44 AM »
Anyone know the actual mintage of the 1995 silver proof 1 oz panda? I'm trying to figure out why it's worth so much more than the 1996.

4.3k something is what i heard in a rumor.
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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2008, 01:42:38 PM »
Great info! Thanks! :001_rolleyes:

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« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2008, 05:07:48 PM »
according to those figures... it seems Chinese Modern Coins started with year of 1979?

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« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2008, 04:27:10 PM »
according to those figures... it seems Chinese Modern Coins started with year of 1979?

Yep!   :001_smile:

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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2008, 04:51:01 PM »
About the 1995 unicorns with a mintage of 223, and extant COA's of over 1400, I think there's a few possibilities:

#1 The mint kept making them after 1995

#2 The mint printed more COA's than coins, and packaged the coins with random COA numbers

#3 The COA, the coin, or both, are fake

What we need is a registry of chinese coins showing the coin and the COA so we can keep track of the genuine coins, and look it up when it appears for sale. So many antiquities and collectibles are worthless without a record of who has owned it in the past, so that it can be verified it isn't fake. A wiki would do this well.

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« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2008, 01:54:30 AM »
About the 1995 unicorns with a mintage of 223, and extant COA's of over 1400, I think there's a few possibilities:

#1 The mint kept making them after 1995

#2 The mint printed more COA's than coins, and packaged the coins with random COA numbers

#3 The COA, the coin, or both, are fake

What we need is a registry of chinese coins showing the coin and the COA so we can keep track of the genuine coins, and look it up when it appears for sale. So many antiquities and collectibles are worthless without a record of who has owned it in the past, so that it can be verified it isn't fake. A wiki would do this well.

I've never heard of the possibility that a coin such as the 1995 Silver 12 oz Unicorn could be fake. I don't have reason to believe they are out there. You know this coin does not show up much at all so unless there are hundreds together in a room somewhere, the mintage could well be right.

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« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2008, 06:38:51 PM »
About the 1995 unicorns with a mintage of 223, and extant COA's of over 1400, I think there's a few possibilities:

#1 The mint kept making them after 1995

#2 The mint printed more COA's than coins, and packaged the coins with random COA numbers

#3 The COA, the coin, or both, are fake

What we need is a registry of chinese coins showing the coin and the COA so we can keep track of the genuine coins, and look it up when it appears for sale. So many antiquities and collectibles are worthless without a record of who has owned it in the past, so that it can be verified it isn't fake. A wiki would do this well.

#2 is very possible!    :thumbup1:

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« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2008, 01:09:04 AM »
Pandaman: Be careful with that kind of thinking. Fakes are out there, and you have to watch for them or you will get screwed. Luckily most of them will not fool careful inspection of the coin.

Does the coin have strange bubbles or bumps in areas of the coin that are supposed to be flat? That indicates an imperfect gold or silver plating job on a fake coin.

Does the coin weigh what it's supposed to weigh? If it doesn't, it's fake.

Does the coin have details that are different from known genuine examples? If yes, you may have another variety of genuine coin, or, it's a fake. Have an expert examine your coin to be sure.

Do you know where your coin has been since 2005? As far as I know, most of the fakes were made after 2006, so if you've got proof that a coin has been in trade (auction catalog?) or in someone's collection in 2005 or earlier, then it's probably not a fake. This is often called a "pedigree" or a "provenance" and it's sort of like a family tree. For example, you can say you're related to the Queen of England only if you can name everyone in that line of your family tree that connects to her. If you can't do that, then you're probably a fake. Coins with pedigrees sell for more money because no one worries about whether it is genuine or not, and it doesn't matter how good counterfeiting technology is.

Speaking of fakes, here's one right here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320300258423

It's actually a photo of a genuine coin, but the person selling it is not going to deliver it to you. This item has been removed previously from ebay, and the fact that there's only a few recent feedbacks, and those users have been expelled from ebay, shows that this ebay account is probably a stolen account being used for fraud.

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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2008, 01:12:51 AM »
By the way, I've just seen some 1995 proof 1 oz silver pandas with Certificate of Authenticity in the 4600 range. If those are the highest numbered, and the last ones produced, then we have a guess as to how many were really made. Anyone seen anything higher? Of course, possibility #2 above could still apply.

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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2008, 09:49:06 AM »
By the way, I've just seen some 1995 proof 1 oz silver pandas with Certificate of Authenticity in the 4600 range. If those are the highest numbered, and the last ones produced, then we have a guess as to how many were really made. Anyone seen anything higher? Of course, possibility #2 above could still apply.

Coa #4875 is the highest I have seen.   :001_smile:
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« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2008, 03:22:05 PM »
Pandaman: Be careful with that kind of thinking. Fakes are out there, and you have to watch for them or you will get screwed. Luckily most of them will not fool careful inspection of the coin.

Does the coin have strange bubbles or bumps in areas of the coin that are supposed to be flat? That indicates an imperfect gold or silver plating job on a fake coin.

Does the coin weigh what it's supposed to weigh? If it doesn't, it's fake.

Does the coin have details that are different from known genuine examples? If yes, you may have another variety of genuine coin, or, it's a fake. Have an expert examine your coin to be sure.

Do you know where your coin has been since 2005? As far as I know, most of the fakes were made after 2006, so if you've got proof that a coin has been in trade (auction catalog?) or in someone's collection in 2005 or earlier, then it's probably not a fake. This is often called a "pedigree" or a "provenance" and it's sort of like a family tree. For example, you can say you're related to the Queen of England only if you can name everyone in that line of your family tree that connects to her. If you can't do that, then you're probably a fake. Coins with pedigrees sell for more money because no one worries about whether it is genuine or not, and it doesn't matter how good counterfeiting technology is.

Speaking of fakes, here's one right here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320300258423

It's actually a photo of a genuine coin, but the person selling it is not going to deliver it to you. This item has been removed previously from ebay, and the fact that there's only a few recent feedbacks, and those users have been expelled from ebay, shows that this ebay account is probably a stolen account being used for fraud.

I know fakes are out there but have you ever seen a large gold or silver Modern Chinese coin faked? It was the 12 oz 1995 Ag Unicorn that was mentioned.

The auction link you listed pictures not a fake coin, as you know. It is a fraudulent listing. So YES, you do have to be careful and I have first hand experience, unfortunately, in knowing this.

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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2008, 11:42:48 AM »
Yes, I have seen 12 oz fakes. The last one I saw on ebay was being sold by an honest dealer who bought it from an honest collector. I don't remember how the collector got it, but I think he bought it in China. When I see them, I notify the dealers that the item they're selling is fake.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the good dealers are grateful that their reputations are still good. It's a sad day when an honest dealer is accused of fraud when he was just another victim of the ancient chinese crime (counterfeiting).

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« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2008, 08:34:13 PM »
The 1993 Marco Polo 5oz Gold sounds interesting.  Anybody ever see one?

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« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2008, 08:25:52 AM »
The 1993 Marco Polo 5oz Gold sounds interesting.  Anybody ever see one?

One was sold on Heritage's 2008 January NY Signature World Coin Auction for $20,700.00.   :001_tt1:

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« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2008, 07:24:53 PM »
Hi everybody,

please let me start by introducing myself. I am a German collector of China gold and silver coins and have started a thread in a German precious metal board on that topic, http://www.goldseitenforum.de/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=7662&pageNo=1.

First of all I'd like to thank Colin for the work he is doing here and on china-mint.info. I have found this very helpful from the beginning. Actual mintages is really a though topic with China coins. In one of my last posts in the German board, http://www.goldseitenforum.de/index.php?page=Thread&postID=333705#post333705, I have copied some of the figures given here, hoping that members there will contribute.

For a start I can add that 1991 Kang Xi gold was sold on German e*b*a*y on September 30th, 2007 showing a certificate # 1,241, which does not coinicide with the number given above. It will take some time to go through my archive of e*b*a*y auctions as this sums up to almost 10.000 auctions through the last 18 months but I will try to go through step by step and contribute any findings here. Based on my archive I may also state that the 3 12 oz Unicorns 1995 were sold in the a.m period on e*b*a*y

I may also recommend the book Modern Chinese Commemorative Gold and Silver Coins and Medals Pictorial No. 1 1979 - 1988 which gives some information on actual mintages and as it was published by China Gold Coin Inc. should be a fairly reliable source. Unfortunatedly, it covers a very limited period of time.

I am looking forward sharing opinons, rumours and facts of modern Chinese coins with you here and may apologise in advance, if sometimes my broken English leads to misunderstandings.

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Re: Actual mintages
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2008, 09:24:24 PM »
By the way, I've just seen some 1995 proof 1 oz silver pandas with Certificate of Authenticity in the 4600 range. If those are the highest numbered, and the last ones produced, then we have a guess as to how many were really made. Anyone seen anything higher? Of course, possibility #2 above could still apply.

Coa #4875 is the highest I have seen.   :001_smile:

Discovered today that I have COA #5637 for a 1995 silver 1 ounce proof.

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« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2008, 09:45:31 AM »
Hi everybody,

please let me start by introducing myself. I am a German collector of China gold and silver coins and have started a thread in a German precious metal board on that topic, http://www.goldseitenforum.de/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=7662&pageNo=1.

First of all I'd like to thank Colin for the work he is doing here and on china-mint.info. I have found this very helpful from the beginning. Actual mintages is really a though topic with China coins. In one of my last posts in the German board, http://www.goldseitenforum.de/index.php?page=Thread&postID=333705#post333705, I have copied some of the figures given here, hoping that members there will contribute.

For a start I can add that 1991 Kang Xi gold was sold on German e*b*a*y on September 30th, 2007 showing a certificate # 1,241, which does not coinicide with the number given above. It will take some time to go through my archive of e*b*a*y auctions as this sums up to almost 10.000 auctions through the last 18 months but I will try to go through step by step and contribute any findings here. Based on my archive I may also state that the 3 12 oz Unicorns 1995 were sold in the a.m period on e*b*a*y

I may also recommend the book Modern Chinese Commemorative Gold and Silver Coins and Medals Pictorial No. 1 1979 - 1988 which gives some information on actual mintages and as it was published by China Gold Coin Inc. should be a fairly reliable source. Unfortunatedly, it covers a very limited period of time.

I am looking forward sharing opinons, rumours and facts of modern Chinese coins with you here and may apologise in advance, if sometimes my broken English leads to misunderstandings.

anwir


Welcome to the board, anwir!!  I always want to learn more about German's Chinese coin market, and the collecting trend on Chinese modern coins.  I am looking for your sharing!    :001_smile: :001_smile:
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« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2008, 01:07:11 PM »
As a Chinese coin collector for more than 30 years and modern Chinese coin since 1979, there is a very good explaination of COA # higher than the actual mingtage. The China Mint has maintained a policy to accept foreign distributors to return coin which can not be sold within one year, since 1979. The China Mint actually produced planned mintage and shipped to distributors. Some distributors sold higher COA # coin to the collectors. Some low COA # coin sets might return to China Mint and destroyed, re-circled to make new coins. During 1994-1996, China Mint's made a major error in marketing its coins. The price of initial offer was too high to be acceptable to collectors, especially panda and unicorn. Many coins were return to China Mint. Those coins with higher initial offer price before 1996 usually have a lower final mintage. Most of my collection have a COA# higher than the actual final mintage. There is no reason to be concerned if your COA# is higher than the actual mintage.

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« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2008, 11:03:32 PM »
Absolutely great info. This is the reason why I like this forum. Thanks poconopenn.

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« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2008, 10:19:42 AM »
As a Chinese coin collector for more than 30 years and modern Chinese coin since 1979, there is a very good explaination of COA # higher than the actual mingtage. The China Mint has maintained a policy to accept foreign distributors to return coin which can not be sold within one year, since 1979. The China Mint actually produced planned mintage and shipped to distributors. Some distributors sold higher COA # coin to the collectors. Some low COA # coin sets might return to China Mint and destroyed, re-circled to make new coins. During 1994-1996, China Mint's made a major error in marketing its coins. The price of initial offer was too high to be acceptable to collectors, especially panda and unicorn. Many coins were return to China Mint. Those coins with higher initial offer price before 1996 usually have a lower final mintage. Most of my collection have a COA# higher than the actual final mintage. There is no reason to be concerned if your COA# is higher than the actual mintage.
 

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« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2009, 01:49:48 PM »
Thanks to poconopenn! Nice information!

I have even saw a 20oz silver Dragon & Phoenix coin marked number #510 on its edge like that, while the estimated mintage is about 347.

When printing the COA, sometimes the distributor would skip numbers not favoured - e.g. numbers end with 4 or 7. This may also introduce higher COA numbers.

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« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2009, 09:14:30 PM »
I have absolutely no reason to doubt the explanation given by poconopenn neither to doubt Colin's first post but that leaves us with the question from which source these figures derive. Due to the information of a well-known German coin collector who is responsible for the German world coin catalogue, Chinese offcial sources deny that there is any documentation of the actuals mintages of the earlier coins (this includes Panda 2000 ;))

Looking, e.g. at the figures given for:

1990 Zhu Yuan Zhang 1/3oz gold coin - 2164  (planned: 25000)

1991 Kang Xi 1/3oz gold coin - 1084  (planned: 25000)

1992 Wu Zhe Tian 1/3oz gold coin - 2504  (planned: 25000)

I have all these 3 coins archived 10 times in the last 2 years and just recently acquired one for 3% over POG, whereas e.g. the 1997 Forbidden City set with an official mintage of 4.000, i.e the double, there is none - leave alone the one set I have in my collection.

Or let's take Confuzius, which is given a number of 4,300 and has been sold 23 times in the last 2 years.

The only source I happen to know so far, is "Modern Chinese Commemoratives Gold and Silver Coins and Medals Pictorial" published China Coins Limited and distributed by the People's Bank of China, China Gold Corp. Inc. in Jan. 1988, which sometimes coincides with the figures given here, e.g. Confuzius, sometimes not,e.g. Liu Bang = 4,054 vs. 4,980.

I am aware that rare mintages might generate a "bigger market" in the sense that more dealers look for and offer them. Still I cannot avoid the doubt, if I see rare coins too often ;)

Any chance we will ever clear this up :confused1:

greetz anwir

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« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2009, 10:00:35 PM »
hi again anwir,

Check out this article: http://www.jb008.cn/coin/forum_print.asp?forum_id=2&view_id=528
It is written in Chinese, and you may want to use google translator or other language tools to translate it to Germany or English.  It is worth to read.

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« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2009, 03:06:21 AM »
The 1993 Marco Polo 5oz Gold sounds interesting.  Anybody ever see one?
I know of two of these fantastic coins.  It is an unbelievable coin!  One was originally offered to me by a collector/dealer in late 2007.  I did not purchase.  I waited and purchsed this 5 oz Gold Marco Polo coin mentioned from the Heritage Auction.  I still have this piece.  It is now in an NGC 68 Ultra Cameo holder.  I believe all coins should be authenticated, graded and encapsulated.  This should be done to protect yourself and to protect your coins.  I think all of the 5 oz Gold coins with low mintages are under valued and will continue to bring strong premiums regardless if Gold is up or down. I buy and sell rare Modern Chinese Coins everyday so I follow all of the trends.   :001_cool:   

One was sold on Heritage's 2008 January NY Signature World Coin Auction for $20,700.00.   :001_tt1:



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« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2009, 04:46:06 PM »
KeSheng has scanned and posted the book writing by Ge Zhu Kang.  You can view it on this page:
http://www.bjjbtz.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=14643&extra=page%3D1&page=1

Many mintage figures that we have been discussing are original from this book.  The book is written pure in Chinese.  If anyone needs help translating on specific item, please post the item # here.  I will be glad to do the translation.   :biggrin:





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« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2009, 10:20:26 PM »
great link :thumbup: THANKS  :thumbup1: took some time to get reigstered ;) and now it will take even more time to find out, which line is which coin but it looks GREAT
Thanks again :thumbup:

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« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2009, 10:30:49 AM »
KeSheng has scanned and posted the book writing by Ge Zhu Kang.  You can view it on this page:
http://www.bjjbtz.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=14643&extra=page%3D1&page=1

Many mintage figures that we have been discussing are original from this book.  The book is written pure in Chinese.  If anyone needs help translating on specific item, please post the item # here.  I will be glad to do the translation.   :biggrin:


I should also be glad to help!  :laugh: :laugh:




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« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2009, 10:47:13 AM »
Actual mintages is a very difficult topic for China Modern coins. I have read some books and articles from senior collectors recently and try to put the data together and verify the differences. Due to the missing / limit of official supporting documents, I think we are far away from the facts. But it is still worth to take the first move, thanks to collectors like Mr. Ge!
Again, the actual mintage numbers are for reference only. :001_smile:

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« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2009, 05:33:16 PM »
KeSheng has scanned and posted the book writing by Ge Zhu Kang.  You can view it on this page:
http://www.bjjbtz.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=14643&extra=page%3D1&page=1

Many mintage figures that we have been discussing are original from this book.  The book is written pure in Chinese.  If anyone needs help translating on specific item, please post the item # here.  I will be glad to do the translation.   :biggrin:

For those of you who have a hard time registering and loging into a Chinese website, like me :blushing:, I have compiled a pdf from the 58 scans. As this is 15.5 MB I have also made 6 pdf-files with up to 3 MB each. If you want a copy - can't post it here - send me your email adresse via PM and will send you a copy. Please indicate if you want the one big file or the six small files in several emails.

Thanks again to snowball for the link and KeSheng for taking the time to scan and post :thumbup:
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« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2009, 08:18:52 PM »
Thank U, anwir!   :thumbup1:
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« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2009, 11:59:09 PM »
I have absolutely no reason to doubt the explanation given by poconopenn neither to doubt Colin's first post but that leaves us with the question from which source these figures derive. Due to the information of a well-known German coin collector who is responsible for the German world coin catalogue, Chinese offcial sources deny that there is any documentation of the actuals mintages of the earlier coins (this includes Panda 2000 ;))

Looking, e.g. at the figures given for:

1990 Zhu Yuan Zhang 1/3oz gold coin - 2164  (planned: 25000)

1991 Kang Xi 1/3oz gold coin - 1084  (planned: 25000)

1992 Wu Zhe Tian 1/3oz gold coin - 2504  (planned: 25000)

I have all these 3 coins archived 10 times in the last 2 years and just recently acquired one for 3% over POG, whereas e.g. the 1997 Forbidden City set with an official mintage of 4.000, i.e the double, there is none - leave alone the one set I have in my collection.

Or let's take Confuzius, which is given a number of 4,300 and has been sold 23 times in the last 2 years.

The only source I happen to know so far, is "Modern Chinese Commemoratives Gold and Silver Coins and Medals Pictorial" published China Coins Limited and distributed by the People's Bank of China, China Gold Corp. Inc. in Jan. 1988, which sometimes coincides with the figures given here, e.g. Confuzius, sometimes not,e.g. Liu Bang = 4,054 vs. 4,980.

I am aware that rare mintages might generate a "bigger market" in the sense that more dealers look for and offer them. Still I cannot avoid the doubt, if I see rare coins too often ;)

Any chance we will ever clear this up :confused1:

greetz anwir

Apparently, MDM of Germany was the exclusive distributor for Outstanding Historic Figures sets. According to the following linked article (in Chinese), MDM had made request to China Mint for additional sets, most likely in 2002. Consequently, China Mint produced several thousand sets for MDM during 2003-2005. This may be the reason for a  relatively low price of those gold coins and so many being offered at Germany ebay.
 
http://www.jb008.cn/coin/article_view.asp?id=698

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« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2009, 07:43:02 AM »
wow....nice post.....

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« Reply #44 on: July 27, 2009, 04:18:38 AM »
I think it is going to be impossible for anyone to track the mintage for certain coins if the mint themselves don't do it. This is especially so for some coins that state 不限量 (Unlimited) in books and documents that we refer to. Those 3 characters make me think that the mint could reproduce them down the years as long as there is demand.

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« Reply #45 on: October 11, 2009, 06:46:26 PM »
I have got a question regarding 1990 Taiwan Scenery set 1/2 oz Au. This is listed in the catalogs a 4 coins with a mintage of 4,000 each. Ge Zhu Kang has given a figure of 2,004. This certificate, however, shows a mintage of 1,000 sets only :confused1:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270468175633

Could it be that 4,000 refers to 4,000 coins in total, i.e. 4 coins of 1,000 each :001_huh:

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« Reply #46 on: October 11, 2009, 11:52:14 PM »
The actual mintage, according to the following link, is 503.

http://www.jibi.net/newclub/dispbbs.asp?boardid=135&Id=190207

This link is in Chinese and the said set is mentioned at row 26 of the table. This table issues three time every month by a collect club in China for the price of top 50 lowest mintage AU & Pt coin (1kg or 5 oz coins are not included).

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« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2009, 12:20:41 PM »
poconopenn,

many thanks for the link  :thumbup1:

The set mentioned at row 26 of the table is the 1993 issue. anwir's question was refering to the 1990 issue. It is given here

http://www.jibi.net/newclub/dispbbs.asp?boardid=135&id=190204

in the second table as number 26 with 4000 (plan) and unknown (actual).

What is the explanation for this CoA stating a mintage of 1000 each?

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« Reply #48 on: October 13, 2009, 08:43:11 PM »
@ poconopenn: Many thanks for the link :thumbup:. Due to my limited knowledge of Chinese, which is none ;), I have a hard time to go through but as some coins have a picture link, I find my way  :001_smile:

Still the question remains... nobody got any clue :001_huh:

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« Reply #49 on: October 14, 2009, 01:57:00 AM »
DC55232, Thanks for noticing my mistake.

It is my understanding, there may have two different COAs for this set.  Apparently, additional sets were made after 1990 with different COA (ref. to as black colored COA).  The current market value (about $3,000) for this set strongly suggests that the mintage of this set is more than 1,000. 

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« Reply #50 on: December 30, 2009, 04:50:19 PM »
KeSheng has scanned and posted the book writing by Ge Zhu Kang.  You can view it on this page:
http://www.bjjbtz.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=14643&extra=page%3D1&page=1

Many mintage figures that we have been discussing are original from this book.  The book is written pure in Chinese.  If anyone needs help translating on specific item, please post the item # here.  I will be glad to do the translation.   :biggrin:

Anyone have any tips on how the register for this site? Maybe I need to install Chinese fonts or something?






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« Reply #51 on: January 30, 2010, 03:05:35 PM »
I have been wondering about the 1998 Gold Panda Swiss/Basel medal.  This is the one with two versions: the regular one and the erroneous one that shows "Pt" instead of "Au" on it.  Actually the regular one is rarer.  The mintage according to China-Mint was 1500.  But now I have been hearing that the actual mintage was 1000; 600 for the Pt version and 400 for the Au version.  I have been unable to get any information about the actual mintage beyond some noises on Ebay. :confused1:

Can someone out there shed some light on it?  :crying:

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« Reply #52 on: January 30, 2010, 04:17:48 PM »
I have been wondering about the 1998 Gold Panda Swiss/Basel medal.  This is the one with two versions: the regular one and the erroneous one that shows "Pt" instead of "Au" on it.  Actually the regular one is rarer.  The mintage according to China-Mint was 1500.  But now I have been hearing that the actual mintage was 1000; 600 for the Pt version and 400 for the Au version.  I have been unable to get any information about the actual mintage beyond some noises on Ebay. :confused1:

Can someone out there shed some light on it?  :crying:


anaiman,

you are right!  The mintage is 1000 pcs, 400 normal & 600 error.  I just changed the figure:
http://china-mint.info/1988-chinese-coins.html
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« Reply #53 on: May 13, 2010, 04:56:51 PM »
Is there any actual mintage information for the platinum coins?  I am specifically interested in the 1995 1/2 oz. platinum unicorn.  Aloha!

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« Reply #54 on: May 29, 2010, 12:57:49 PM »
This seller seems to have access to actual estimated mintage information that I can't find anywhere online. He says he's getting the figures from books. Does anyone have any further information on this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/1998-1-9oz-Gold-Panda-Set-NGC-MS69-Large-Date-/110539094447?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19bca4b9af

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« Reply #55 on: May 29, 2010, 03:29:17 PM »
I just noticed that Snowball's list of "actual" mintages posted on August 22, 2008 are not reflected on the China-Mint.Info lists.  I am very much aware of the uncertainty of actual mintages. Yet, how's it determined which "actual" mintage goes into the China-Mint.Info lists and which does not?  I have came across some items for sale that are extremely rare based on the Aug 22, 2008 posting, but not quite so on the China-Mint.info lists.  Often whether I am willing to pay a lot for a coin depends on the rarity of the coin.  Any suggestions or guidance?

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« Reply #56 on: May 29, 2010, 04:17:21 PM »
I think giving all known mintage estimates, with a citation for the source, would be very helpful. If there isn't time for one person to do all that work, a wiki would be very good. Then we could upload photos and additional info also!
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« Reply #57 on: July 20, 2010, 12:01:00 PM »
arf_arf has a China-printed book that provides different mintage numbers than anywhere else for some coins. He was kind enough to share part of it with me and it looked pretty credible.
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« Reply #58 on: October 21, 2010, 08:52:16 AM »
to snowball,  please publish the chinese gold and silver panda bullion coins mintage.  like actual and planned.  thanks.

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« Reply #60 on: October 21, 2010, 11:50:55 AM »
arf_arf has a China-printed book that provides different mintage numbers than anywhere else for some coins. He was kind enough to share part of it with me and it looked pretty credible.
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I saw the book for sale on ebay a few years back. I think it must be out of print, because I haven't seen it since. I believe that all the major dealers own a copy, but they guard it like a trade secret. I have not been able to get a copy for myself.

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« Reply #61 on: January 25, 2011, 09:36:10 AM »
Do actual government mintage figures by mint exist for the 1/2 and 1 ounce silver pandas? It seems logical that the mints would track their numbers as is done to the coin in the US.

If such figures exist why has the mint not released them? As with the gold BU mintages are they saving them for a special occasion?

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« Reply #62 on: January 25, 2011, 10:41:56 AM »
What is the title of the book?  I may have the same one.

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« Reply #63 on: January 25, 2011, 07:14:39 PM »
I'm sure you do, it's the book by Mr. Ge.

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« Reply #64 on: February 01, 2011, 11:24:57 AM »
Apparently, MDM of Germany was the exclusive distributor for Outstanding Historic Figures sets. According to the following linked article (in Chinese), MDM had made request to China Mint for additional sets, most likely in 2002. Consequently, China Mint produced several thousand sets for MDM during 2003-2005. This may be the reason for a  relatively low price of those gold coins and so many being offered at Germany ebay.
 
http://www.jb008.cn/coin/article_view.asp?id=698

Do those restrikes affect only the gold, or were they made for the silver coins too? Are the restrikes distinguishable from the original coins? That was an extremely shady thing for the Chinese mint to do. They're basically counterfeiting their own coins when the price is right. I should call them up and tell them I want 5000 1995 1 oz gold proof pandas minted for me.

Speaking of that, many of the really good "fakes" without denominations are actually made at the mint under private contract - so I've heard. It wouldn't surprise me.

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« Reply #65 on: February 01, 2011, 02:35:27 PM »
I may be out of my depth here, but as far as I can tell this article (http://www.jb008.cn/coin/article_view.asp?id=698) is primarily about the history of distribution of Chinese Mint coins. It indicates that post-2000 the Chinese Mint gained greater control over distribution. However, I couldn't find a mention of restrikes – just a list of foreign distributors for various series.  Is there another article on this topic somewhere else? Thanks for any clarification.

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« Reply #66 on: June 29, 2011, 05:19:15 PM »
Hello,

It would be wonderful to some information of actual mintages.  I have been able to come across information for Pandas, through Peter's book, and the silver historical figures.  I can understand if people would like to keep their information secret.  Would anyone like to share actual mintages for other series.  It would be greatly appreciated by many on this forum including myself!

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« Reply #67 on: June 30, 2011, 04:27:27 AM »
I may be out of my depth here, but as far as I can tell this article (http://www.jb008.cn/coin/article_view.asp?id=698) is primarily about the history of distribution of Chinese Mint coins. It indicates that post-2000 the Chinese Mint gained greater control over distribution. However, I couldn't find a mention of restrikes – just a list of foreign distributors for various series.  Is there another article on this topic somewhere else? Thanks for any clarification.
There are three tables in the article that listed the restrike coins by type and quantity for the year 2003, 2004, and 2005.  They are graphic files so Google can't translate them.  Most of the restrike are selected Historical Figures and Silk Road coins.  There are 585 restrikes of 1998 kilogram silver and a few 12-oz gold panda (1987, 1991). 

One topic being discussed was quite interesting: the melting of exist inventory of gold/silver/bi-metal coins in 2002.  Apparently they took place in 2 mints and were closely counted and supervised.  So for silver, 440,000 pieces total were melted for a net weight of 13586 kilogram, and for gold, 220,000 pieces were melted for a net weight of 1710kg.  That was a destruction of a significant fraction of the total gold & silver coins up till that time.  Another inventory clearing event took place in Oct 20, 1995 where all existing inventory of large size silver Panda including 5oz and 12oz were destroyed (20 pieces were preserved)

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« Reply #68 on: July 01, 2011, 03:15:54 PM »
I may be out of my depth here, but as far as I can tell this article (http://www.jb008.cn/coin/article_view.asp?id=698) is primarily about the history of distribution of Chinese Mint coins. It indicates that post-2000 the Chinese Mint gained greater control over distribution. However, I couldn't find a mention of restrikes – just a list of foreign distributors for various series.  Is there another article on this topic somewhere else? Thanks for any clarification.
I rearranged the tables listed in the article.  Here are the restrike mintage from 2003 to 2005:

Restrike                               2003   2004   2005  total
1987 Panda gold 1000 yuan 12oz               2      2
1991 panda gold 1000 yuan 12oz               2      2
1996 silver dragon phoenix 150 yuan 20oz         2      2
1998 gold Tang vault protector 2000 Yuan       11           11
1998 siver Tang vault protector 200 Yuan      300   285      585
1999 silver goddess Guanyin 10 Yuan            18800         18800
1984 historical figure general silver 5 yuan         340   2400   2740
1984 historical figure captain silver 5 yuan      750   600   5700   7050
1984 historical figure kneeling silver 5 yuan      2600   500   1800   4900
1984 historical figure with horse silver 5 yuan      440      2600   3040
1986 historical figure Si Ma Qian silver 5 yuan      1650   810   1500   3960
1986 historical figure Zang Heng silver 5 yuan      800      2100   2900
1986 historical figure Cai Lun silver 5 yuan      1250   600   1700   3550
1986 historical figure Zu Zheng Zhi silver 5 yuan      550   1900   2450
1988 historical figure Yue Fei silver 5 yuan      200   810   2000   3010
1988 historical figure Bi Sheng silver 5 yuan      1850   450   1500   3800
1988 historical figure Li Qing Zhao silver 5 yuan    300      2050   2350
1988 historical figure Su Shi silver 5 yuan         600   1700   2300
1995 silk road travelling west silver 5 yuan         400   700   1100
1995 silk road dancing silver 5 yuan            380   700   1080
1995 silk road commerce silver 5 yuan            300   700   1000
1995 silk road silk making silver 5 yuan         300   700   1000
1996 silk road set silver 5 yuan            300   700   1000
1997 silk road trading    silver 5 yuan               1000   1000
1997 silk road banquet    silver 5 yuan               1000   1000
1997 silk road budda      silver 5 yuan               700   700
1997 silk road Riding camel silver 5 yuan            700   700

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« Reply #69 on: July 01, 2011, 03:23:16 PM »
Hmmm, the columns do not line up, so I'm just confusing readers.  Let me simplify the table and try again:

Description                                     Total Restrike 
1987 Panda gold 1000 yuan 12oz               2
1991 panda gold 1000 yuan 12oz               2
1996 silver dragon phoenix 150 yuan 20oz     2
1998 gold Tang vault protector 2000 Yuan      11
1998 siver Tang vault protector 200 Yuan     585
1999 silver goddess Guanyin 10 Yuan           18800
1984 historical figure general silver 5 yuan     2740
1984 historical figure captain silver 5 yuan     7050
1984 historical figure kneeling silver 5 yuan     4900
1984 historical figure with horse silver 5 yuan     3040
1986 historical figure Si Ma Qian silver 5 yuan     3960
1986 historical figure Zang Heng silver 5 yuan     2900
1986 historical figure Cai Lun silver 5 yuan     3550
1986 historical figure Zu Zheng Zhi silver 5 yuan    2450
1988 historical figure Yue Fei silver 5 yuan     3010
1988 historical figure Bi Sheng silver 5 yuan     3800
1988 historical figure Li Qing Zhao silver 5 yuan 2350
1988 historical figure Su Shi silver 5 yuan     2300
1995 silk road travelling west silver 5 yuan     1100
1995 silk road dancing silver 5 yuan        1080
1995 silk road commerce silver 5 yuan        1000
1995 silk road silk making silver 5 yuan     1000
1996 silk road set silver 5 yuan              1000
1997 silk road trading    silver 5 yuan        1000
1997 silk road banquet    silver 5 yuan        1000
1997 silk road budda      silver 5 yuan        700
1997 silk road Riding camel silver 5 yuan     700

Still not great, but hopefully you get the picture.

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« Reply #70 on: July 01, 2011, 03:50:58 PM »
Here's the formatting you wanted.

Restrike                               2003   2004   2005  total
1987 Panda gold 1000 yuan 12oz22
1991 panda gold 1000 yuan 12oz22
1996 silver dragon phoenix 150 yuan 20oz22
1998 gold Tang vault protector 2000 Yuan11     11
1998 siver Tang vault protector 200 Yuan   300   285      585
1999 silver goddess Guanyin 10 Yuan   18800         18800
1984 historical figure general silver 5 yuan340   2400   2740
1984 historical figure captain silver 5 yuan750   600   5700   7050
1984 historical figure kneeling silver 5 yuan2600500   1800   4900
1984 historical figure with horse silver 5 yuan440   2600   3040
1986 historical figure Si Ma Qian silver 5 yuan   1650   810   15003960
1986 historical figure Zang Heng silver 5 yuan800      2100   2900
1986 historical figure Cai Lun silver 5 yuan1250600   1700   3550
1986 historical figure Zu Zheng Zhi silver 5 yuan550   1900   2450
1988 historical figure Yue Fei silver 5 yuan200   810   2000   3010
1988 historical figure Bi Sheng silver 5 yuan1850   450   1500   3800
1988 historical figure Li Qing Zhao silver 5 yuan300      2050   2350
1988 historical figure Su Shi silver 5 yuan   600   1700   2300
1995 silk road travelling west silver 5 yuan400   700   1100
1995 silk road dancing silver 5 yuan380   700   1080
1995 silk road commerce silver 5 yuan300   700   
1000
1995 silk road silk making silver 5 yuan300   700   1000
1996 silk road set silver 5 yuan   300   700   1000
1997 silk road trading    silver 5 yuan1000   1000
1997 silk road banquet    silver 5 yuan1000   1000
1997 silk road budda      silver 5 yuan700   700
1997 silk road Riding camel silver 5 yuan   700   700

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« Reply #71 on: July 01, 2011, 04:20:39 PM »
Thank you sandac and tamo42!  This is very interesting information!

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« Reply #72 on: July 02, 2011, 02:59:57 PM »
There are three tables in the article that listed the restrike coins by type and quantity for the year 2003, 2004, and 2005.  They are graphic files so Google can't translate them.  Most of the restrike are selected Historical Figures and Silk Road coins.  There are 585 restrikes of 1998 kilogram silver and a few 12-oz gold panda (1987, 1991). 

One topic being discussed was quite interesting: the melting of exist inventory of gold/silver/bi-metal coins in 2002.  Apparently they took place in 2 mints and were closely counted and supervised.  So for silver, 440,000 pieces total were melted for a net weight of 13586 kilogram, and for gold, 220,000 pieces were melted for a net weight of 1710kg.  That was a destruction of a significant fraction of the total gold & silver coins up till that time.  Another inventory clearing event took place in Oct 20, 1995 where all existing inventory of large size silver Panda including 5oz and 12oz were destroyed (20 pieces were preserved)


So looking at the melted 2002 silver coins, this puts the mintage of 2002 Silver coins well under 80K, even lower than Peter's estimate, right??

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« Reply #73 on: July 02, 2011, 03:40:37 PM »
So looking at the melted 2002 silver coins, this puts the mintage of 2002 Silver coins well under 80K, even lower than Peter's estimate, right??

No, there are pre-2002 coins and can be any year between 1979 and 2001. However, majority will be between 1995-2001, since some inventory, large size coins, were melted in 1995. This is the reason that the acutal mintages of 5 and 12 oz 1994 and 1995 unicorn and panda may be much lower than the planned mintages. The inventory clearing in 2002 by China Mint may also the reason of rarity of 2000 mirror panda which was made for domestic only. China did not have an open and legal market to trade the precious metal before 2002.
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« Reply #74 on: July 09, 2011, 10:01:55 PM »
I don't see the 1989 historical figures coins in that list - does that mean there are no restrikes for that date, or is the list not complete?

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« Reply #75 on: July 09, 2011, 10:31:21 PM »
I specifically looked for restrike of 1989 and 1992 Historical Figures.  But there are no mention of them.  The author indicated that restrikes occurred during 2003, 2004, and 2005 only, and that future restrikes are theoretically possible, but improbable.  Since all my Kublai Khan were purchased from Southland Coin before 2003 and I'm able to corroborate all your observation mentioned in your LBC investment #56 from my collection.  Another words, the Kublai Khan purchased recently have the same range of variabilities as Kublai Khan puchased around 2000.  Actually, my set has greater range of variabilities, recall the thread about "big army vs small army"

http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=3043

I have not heard anyone mentioned that they have the "small army", and I've not observed any "small army" on recent Ebay auctions.  So while the data set is tiny, it supports the notion of no restrike for Kublai Khan.

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« Reply #76 on: July 09, 2011, 10:36:25 PM »
That's excellent information, thanks for sharing. That means that the coins I identified as possible restrikes are actually just varieties. The good news is that the coins are as rare or rarer than we thought they were, and there's several varieties of them.

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« Reply #77 on: July 09, 2011, 10:44:32 PM »
Also, there is the mystery of the perfectly legible 1992 Cai Wenji recently auctioned off for $285.  My initial thought was that it is a restrike to correct the flaw of the original, but since no 1992 restrike was mentioned in the article, could it be an example of an early strike which is perfect and then flaw was introduced later in the minting process?  Or perhaps it is produced by a different die? 

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« Reply #78 on: July 09, 2011, 11:36:34 PM »
I would have to examine the coin closely to answer that question, and even then, I may not be able to find evidence that can tell us. However, I think it is most likely that it is a different die.

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« Reply #79 on: September 03, 2011, 06:50:27 AM »
Here is what I've been able to confirm on my last couple of visits to China(I have an associate there now).....

The approximate mintage for the 2000 10Y 1 oz. Silver Mirrored Panda is <2500....probably less according to several former Mint officials/employees.  The coin is really nothing more than an experimental Pattern that was later used to give to Dignitaries both Foriegn and Domestic.  I know that some other folks believe the mintage to be 15,000-ish which is absurd.  The info is out there for anyone willing to go to China.

Also, the best and most reliable figure I could get for the 1995 10Y 1 oz. Silver Proof is <6,000..... roughly.  That one is tough because there is conflicting data coming from various former Mint officials.

Here are a few sleepers that have surprising low LISTED mintages and shockingly low actual mintages along with poor survivability rates:

1. 2006 200Y 1/2 oz. Gold Panda... Listed mintage; 25,600. Revised/actual mintage; 13,770.  Also, for whatever reason these didn't survive well and a large quantity were melted in India, which is what has happened to a lot of Chinese Gold issues such as the 1995 100Y 1 oz. Sm. Date and the 1997 100Y 1 oz. Sm. and Lg. Date issues.

2. 2003, 2004, 2005 50Y 5 oz. Silver Proof Pandas.  China only sold about 3500 of each and they too have not survived well.

3. 1990 100Y 1 oz. Gold Proof.  Check the pop. reports on these and then try finding one in 69.

Of Note:  Some folks have brought an interesting and valid question; If a revised mintage of a certain Proof coin reflects a lesser amount than that of the original mintage, then why do some COA #'s contradict those new figures?  For example, "I have a 1994 10Y 1 oz. Silver Panda Proof with a COA # higher than what the revised mintage says it is,  how can than be?".... Here's your answer, because when CGCC distributes the coins, they do so randomly.  They do not start with COA # 1 and work their way up in order.  So you could be the first person to receive a certain issue and wind up with COA # 2,374..... Conversely, you could be the last person to receive a certain issue and get COA # 00003.  What typically happens is the mint makes their allotted mintage and when they don't sell all of them, they melt the remaining coins back down to ingots for future use.  The Mexican Mint is notorious for this as well.  So if you have a COA # that seems to be too high for the revised mintage..... It's not.  It has nothing to do with the actual mintage/population of that particular issue.

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« Reply #80 on: September 03, 2011, 09:06:48 AM »
Very good information, Coinslinger.  This helps to clarify some things for me and is a good example of what makes this forum so interesting.

Also, very nice coins on your other post.

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« Reply #81 on: September 03, 2011, 06:38:27 PM »
Here is what I've been able to confirm on my last couple of visits to China(I have an associate there now).....

The approximate mintage for the 2000 10Y 1 oz. Silver Mirrored Panda is <2500....probably less according to several former Mint officials/employees.  The coin is really nothing more than an experimental Pattern that was later used to give to Dignitaries both Foriegn and Domestic.  I know that some other folks believe the mintage to be 15,000-ish which is absurd.  The info is out there for anyone willing to go to China.

Someone who allegedly knows someone in China started telling a story a couple of months ago that only 275 silver mirrors were minted and that those were given as gifts to VIPs. This claim ran up against the fact that NGC and PCGS have already graded 250 of them, so unless that 90% of a domestic Chinese coin has already gone through the TPGs the story was a non-starter.

The idea that the coins were VIP gifts also has the defect that (as far as I know) the Chinese Mint never distributes official gifts to important people in plain pouches without boxes and other goodies. No box, or COA or any special treatment accompanies the 2000 mirror coins. The coins weren't patterns but rather a test run for wider distribution in subsequent years. Therefore they didn't receive any special handling.

Since the last time I heard this story the quantity has grown to 2,500 silver mirrors. Given that the 2000 mirror coins were meant for a domestic Chinese market, it is dubious (to me, at least) that nearly 10% have been slabbed so far. The <15,000 figure that is mentioned is based on actual sales of the coins prior to the publication of a certain book on Pandas that spilled the beans on the scarcity of these 2000 varieties. These sales figures were compiled at a time when there was no hoarding of the coins because barely anyone paid any attention to them (Larry Dreher, excepted ;)).

I don't know for sure where this story originates from but it appears that something got garbled in the translation. It is everyone's right to buy or sell coins based upon any population figure they choose. The figures in the Gold and Silver Panda Coin Buyer's Guide book are founded on thousands and thousands of actual sales and research into the markets for Pandas in China, North America and Europe – not on what anyone said. I will continue to rely on that.

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« Reply #82 on: September 03, 2011, 07:19:17 PM »
Mr. P. Anthony,  that person might have been me who e-mailed you the "story" about the silver 2000 mirrored pandas.  I'm not sure where you got 275 from(unless I typo-ed and meant 2750-ish...?)  Now, I was informed that roughly 200-300 of these were given out to so-called 'Dignitaries' and that a number of these were sent to Germany for some unknown reason.  I'm only as good as the data I compile and have to rely on the honesty of these fine Gentlemen who have provided me with this info.  They simply have NO reason to make any of this up......why would they....?  I can only tell you that they are adamant about the fact that the 15,000 figure is absolutely false.  Now a few of these Guys believe that fewer than a 1,000 of these were made while the consensus amongst these Gentlemen is closer to 2500.  here's something I know for sure, of the 221-ish coins that have been graded by NGC, at least 45 of those are resubs that NGC has yet to account for.... so take at least 45 of those coins off of the total pop. report for NGC.

These coins have the value that they do for a reason and I challenge ANYONE to show me more than a group of 50 of these(GENUINE).  Of course I'm just setting anyone up who attempts this for failure.... I already know the outcome. I'm open to anyone finding out more about this subject.....if there are more, then I will gladly accept that, but sometimes you just have to take what the research gives you.


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« Reply #83 on: September 03, 2011, 07:39:46 PM »
"Peter's initial assessment was that roughly 15,000 were struck, we now know better.....the fact is that when all the red tape cleared and the Chinese Gov. released the definitive Mintage figures for ALL Pandas(just a few short months ago), it was revealed that only a 'whopping' 272 SILVER MIRRORED Pandas were released(compared to 758 of the Gold version)......14,877 were actually struck, but the majority of the Mintage was melted back down, presumably for future use. The 272 that survived were initially given to Dignitaries both foreign and domestic. The mystery is over.... The 2000 Silver 10Y Mirrored Panda is WITHOUT question, not only the KEY to the entire series, it is by far and away, the RAREST.....and moreover, it has become the key to not only the Silver series, but the key to ALL 1oz Panda types; Gold, Platinum, Palladium, etc..... GAME OVER."

A crazy message I received in the summer from someone who flaked out on buying a coin from me (which actually happened to be a 1 Oz. gold mirrored).

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« Reply #84 on: September 03, 2011, 07:56:55 PM »
Here's what I know: there are people with a couple of dozen or so of these apiece who acquired them largely by accident. 10 years ago these buyers were just ordering 2000 silver Pandas and the mirrors came along with the frosted ones. That is not the way truly rare coins usually come into collector's hands – and especially not in quantity.  That is also not the situation for the gold coins. I can't think of a single person in America who (before June 2010) didn't have to acquire their gold mirror fractionals directly from China. As far as I know, a small group of mirror gold 1 oz. coins made it the the States on their own, but none of the smaller sizes.

The sales figures for the coins that date from before June 2010 (when the book was published) show the silver mirror coins freely trading for under $300. It is difficult for me to believe that if there was some "secret" to these coins they wouldn't all have been spoken for by those in-the-know between 2000 and 2010. There was just not much demand for them until the book was published. While the book may have created new demand it wasn't responsible for the low supplies that disappeared as soon as the news got out. 15,000 or 10,000 are pretty small numbers for a crown-size silver Panda; look at how much the 1983-85 coins sell for. Do you know anyone with 50 of any of those? Anyway, 2,500 doesn't square with the availability of the 2000 mirror coin prior to June 2010.

I also have to add that I have yet to see any 2000 silver mirrors for sale anywhere that comes with the sort of packaging that indicates it is something special. And if the silver coins were VIP gifts, why not the much rarer gold coins, too?

However it came about, I believe the people who gave you your information erred for some reason, or something got lost in the translation. It would benefit me, too, if there were only 2,500 silver mirror Pandas but I just don't see how that can be.

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« Reply #85 on: September 03, 2011, 08:11:12 PM »
Mr. P. Anthony,  that person might have been me who e-mailed you the "story" about the silver 2000 mirrored pandas.  I'm not sure where you got 275 from(unless I typo-ed and meant 2750-ish...?)  Now, I was informed that roughly 200-300 of these were given out to so-called 'Dignitaries' and that a number of these were sent to Germany for some unknown reason.  I'm only as good as the data I compile and have to rely on the honesty of these fine Gentlemen who have provided me with this info.  They simply have NO reason to make any of this up......why would they....?  I can only tell you that they are adamant about the fact that the 15,000 figure is absolutely false.  Now a few of these Guys believe that fewer than a 1,000 of these were made while the consensus amongst these Gentlemen is closer to 2500.  here's something I know for sure, of the 221-ish coins that have been graded by NGC, at least 45 of those are resubs that NGC has yet to account for.... so take at least 45 of those coins off of the total pop. report for NGC.

These coins have the value that they do for a reason and I challenge ANYONE to show me more than a group of 50 of these(GENUINE).  Of course I'm just setting anyone up who attempts this for failure.... I already know the outcome. I'm open to anyone finding out more about this subject.....if there are more, then I will gladly accept that, but sometimes you just have to take what the research gives you.


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There are many different coins that you would have a hard time coming up with 50 examples of. If your information about these coins comes from Coin dealers, i would be very careful about how much credibility you give the data. I have heard the same story about how coins were given to special people or 'Dignitaries' and can say that recently was part of a transaction of 1 coin, in the 6 figure range,and was given the same story of where the coin came from. The coins did contain 20 oz of gold which back in 1989 would have been $7000-$8000. An $8000 gift forces me to atleast consider the story to be true but I have heard this line so many times, im starting to wonder if dealers just use this theory as a way to help sell their coins easier, or to help them sell at higher price levels. Even if these 'Dignitaries' were given complete sets of 2000 mirrored gold Pandas that would have been a whopping $500+- worth of gold which to me, raises credibility within this theory. One would think that 'Dignitaries' would recieve gifts worth more than $500.
Publishing actual mintage numbers, in my opinion, is very brave as i believe the market is too premature to have accumulated enough sales data to possibly even come close to numbers that could reflect accurate information. PA book is a good tool for marketing coins when selling them, but in regards to his actual mintage numbers and accepting them as legitimate, I would use caution. I do commend him for the bravery it took to publish these numbers, but it is merely just a guess. Obviously less coins than planned will be available due to melting etc.
 It has been no secret that the mirrored coins were made for domestic distribution only. Has anyone ever thought that maybe, just maybe, we havent seen many of these coins because they were not distributed for the Western market and as i suggested before, and are in the hands of those wealthy enough to afford these coins in China back in 2000? I would presume those same people, are not in need of money and still have the coins. Or is that explanation just too simple to accept? Nonetheless, whether there are 250 or 2500 or 15000, until they start to appear on the market or not, its pretty much going to be the case where you can name your own price and hope to land a buyer.
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« Reply #86 on: September 03, 2011, 08:35:03 PM »
PA book is a good tool for marketing coins when selling them, but in regards to his actual mintage numbers and accepting them as legitimate, I would use caution. I do commend him for the bravery it took to publish these numbers, but it is merely just a guess. Obviously less coins than planned will be available due to melting etc.
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I actually never provide estimates for mintage numbers. My book restricts itself to population estimates for BU/collector-grade coins (it also includes the published mintage figures, too). Population estimates attempt to take into account the melted and damaged coins. If a coin exists in MS-62, or 64 condition, or was mounted in jewelry, it would not make it into the population estimates for 1 oz. or smaller coins as it wouldn't be of interest to collectors.  Hopefully, Huang Rui Yong will be able to shed light on the mintage numbers at some time in the future.

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« Reply #87 on: September 03, 2011, 08:44:56 PM »
Please use "population estimates," in the place where i use "actual mintage numbers" in my post. Sorry pandacollector.
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« Reply #88 on: September 03, 2011, 09:05:17 PM »
Please use "population estimates," in the place where i use "actual mintage numbers" in my post. Sorry pandacollector.
Peng_you

No apology necessary, but thanks anyway. By the way, now that you have got me going, the population estimates are based on a mathematical formula. You can, if you want, still call the population estimates guesses, but they are not arbitrary and they are based on lots and lots of hard sales data.

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« Reply #89 on: September 03, 2011, 09:29:18 PM »
i understand and am not saying that your population estimates are arbitrary. My main issue with population estimates is that i cannot see how sales data used for a period of lets say 5 years, is enough sales data for you to formulate population estimates in this premature Chinese coin market. Now if you use your population estimates and assign them to a certain period of time,ie. a disclaimer acknowleding the data you have used to form these estimates and time period of collected data that estimates pertain to, well i would have a different view. Otherwise, to use the population estimates as a general number that can be used to establish how many coins one may think exist, that are of good enough quality for a collector, is whether any of us like it or not, a guess. I may be wrong, but i am under the impression that this is only the beginning for the Chinese coin market and that 10x the data you used to formulate your estimates will be available over the next year or two.
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« Reply #90 on: September 03, 2011, 09:44:22 PM »
I actually think the older data has more value as it reflects a time period where the coins traded freely with little to no regard for dates. Current and future data will be much less revealing, in my opinion. The immature market was a joy for information gathering.

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« Reply #91 on: September 03, 2011, 11:13:01 PM »
Hopefully, Huang Rui Yong will be able to shed light on the mintage numbers at some time in the future.

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Huang Rui Yong does have a puclished article giving ranking of all modern Chinese coins.

http://www.bjjb.net/11/dispbbs.asp?boardid=76&id=115107

Pandas are giving in Table 4. No silver BU panda was ranked. 1983-1985 proof silver pandas was assigned 3 stars, and 94, 95 and 91 piedfort 2 oz silver proof pandas ranked 2 stars. Other silver proof 1 oz pandas are 1 star. IMO, Chinese collectors just do not care too much about BU silver pandas.

It is my understanding, China Mint had not made any special coin or coin set for VIP since 1986. After 1986, Mint produced medals not coins as gift for VIP.      

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« Reply #92 on: September 03, 2011, 11:21:25 PM »
"Peter's initial assessment was that roughly 15,000 were struck, we now know better.....the fact is that when all the red tape cleared and the Chinese Gov. released the definitive Mintage figures for ALL Pandas(just a few short months ago),

Adamc4,
I find it difficult to believe the silver mirrors are rarer than the gold ones. You assert that the definitive mintage figures are out very strongly. Is this some kind of rumor? Where exactly is this information published? Do you have an official link or source  that backs up this bold claim?

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« Reply #93 on: September 03, 2011, 11:52:48 PM »
Coinslinger-

Did you hear of any revised/actual mintage figures for the other 2006 gold panda sizes? I wonder if they had a similarly lower final count too


"Here are a few sleepers that have surprising low LISTED mintages and shockingly low actual mintages along with poor survivability rates:

1. 2006 200Y 1/2 oz. Gold Panda... Listed mintage; 25,600. Revised/actual mintage; 13,770. "

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« Reply #94 on: September 04, 2011, 12:05:57 AM »
I'm not making any sort of claim, as I said in my post the text I quoted came from someone who flaked out on me on eBay. I think the numbers they claimed are absurd.

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« Reply #95 on: September 04, 2011, 12:16:42 AM »
Adamc4,
I find it difficult to believe the silver mirrors are rarer than the gold ones. You assert that the definitive mintage figures are out very strongly. Is this some kind of rumor? Where exactly is this information published? Do you have an official link or source  that backs up this bold claim?

It should be absolutely clear to everyone that it is NOT Adam who is the source of the quoted text. To the best of my knowledge there is no new published information from the Chinese Mint on older  mintages.

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« Reply #96 on: September 04, 2011, 12:46:23 AM »
I see. Thanks for the clarification. Was wondering where that came from. Something does appear to be up with 2006 and 2009 though. Wish I had more insight into that one. My apologies Adam.

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« Reply #97 on: September 04, 2011, 02:09:22 AM »
I had a protege that attempted to buy a mirrored gold 1 oz. A few months back using our company's eBay acct.  He has since moved back to Canada and no longer works for us.  But that definitely sounds like something he would do..... I think he thought he was helping me, but he obviously wasn't . 

As I stated earlier, I'm open to any hard data that finally proves the mintage figures for the 2000 Silver Mirrored Panda.  But it will not be anywhere near 15,000.

Another prime example, is the 2001-D 1 oz. Gold Panda..... I've seen mintage reports from so-called Modern Chinese coin experts, that claim there were 100,000 of these made.   We all now that's nonsense, don't we...?  I'll ask this rhetorically, what IS the mintage the 2001-D 500Y 1 oz. Gold Panda.....?


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« Reply #98 on: September 04, 2011, 02:12:55 AM »
The data on the 2006 1/2 oz. 200Y Gold Panda has actually been listed before, so I can't really take credit for that one.  I was mainly trying to point out some good future prospects.

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« Reply #99 on: September 04, 2011, 02:29:59 AM »
The data on the 2006 1/2 oz. 200Y Gold Panda has actually been listed before, so I can't really take credit for that one.  I was mainly trying to point out some good future prospects.

Where did you find that figure?

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« Reply #100 on: September 04, 2011, 02:44:47 AM »
The first time I recall hearing about the 2006 200Y Gold Panda was from a woman in SF by the name of Jin Ling.   But I'm pretty sure Mish has been preaching on these for some time.

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« Reply #101 on: September 04, 2011, 03:04:44 AM »

Another prime example, is the 2001-D 1 oz. Gold Panda..... I've seen mintage reports from so-called Modern Chinese coin experts, that claim there were 100,000 of these made.   We all now that's nonsense, don't we...?  I'll ask this rhetorically, what IS the mintage the 2001-D 500Y 1 oz. Gold Panda.....?

-CS

This figure is in general use for the 2001-D 500 Yuan mintage because it comes from the Chinese Mint itself, not any so-called expert. It is generally understood, but not officially recognized, that fewer 2001-D coins were minted than the authorized quantity. The gold coins are not so easy to find outside of China, so the question is what is the population within China?

I will try to remember to ask Mish for his take on the 2006 halves when I see him in a few days. 2006 was identified in print as a somewhat undervalued date not long ago.

Also, it's not clear to me if Jin Ling is your source for the 2006 mintage. If she is, where did she get her numbers from? Thanks.

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« Reply #102 on: September 04, 2011, 03:09:45 AM »
I have some questions for the Chinese speaking members of the Forum concerning the list of rankings by Huang Rui Yong.  Some of the coins seem to be very poorly ranked.  For instance, and there are many, in the platinum section he gives 4 stars to the 1994, and 1995 1/20th Pandas along with the 1997 1/10th ounce Panda.  That is a big disparity in value.  The 1997 is far more valuable.  There seem to be many items in the rankings with this problem.  Can someone elaborate?  Am I losing something in the translation?

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« Reply #103 on: September 04, 2011, 03:26:26 AM »
The first time I recall hearing about the 2006 200Y Gold Panda was from a woman in SF by the name of Jin Ling.   But I'm pretty sure Mish has been preaching on these for some time.

Where does the hard number of 13,770 come from that vague reference?

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« Reply #104 on: September 04, 2011, 03:32:21 AM »
Are you actually disputing the listed mintage of the 2006 200Y?  Wow!  How could you NOT know that?  How many times have you been to China Mr. Anthony.....?  I know the answer to that too.  You guys are funny, anyone who comes out of the woodwork and calls any of you out.... You really take it personal.  I'm a P.I.  by  trade, so yeah, I'm going to have access to data, people, etc...etc... that you won't have.  It's nothing personal.

Pittsburgh should be a real eye opener for a lot of you.... I'll be bringing some guests and they would love the opportunity to sit down and discuss these matters with you.  There are some of you on this very forum who know exactly what I'm talking about.  Do I have an agenda?  Absolutely.

I'm just a big sucker for the truth.

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« Reply #105 on: September 04, 2011, 03:44:24 AM »
Well that certainly answers the question.     :blink:  ?

Ah, no, I guess it still doesn't, does it?  

So... Once again,...Third time I've asked... where please, did you pull your hard number of 13,770 out of?  Never mind, I guess the answer is apparent.
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« Reply #106 on: September 04, 2011, 06:06:32 AM »

Pittsburgh should be a real eye opener for a lot of you.... I'll be bringing some guests and they would love the opportunity to sit down and discuss these matters with you.  There are some of you on this very forum who know exactly what I'm talking about.  Do I have an agenda?  Absolutely.

I'm just a big sucker for the truth.
Whats going on in Pittsburgh? I personally do not know what you are talking about, but sure do want to know the agenda. It might be interesting enough to make me attend.
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« Reply #107 on: September 04, 2011, 10:25:46 AM »
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Chinese collectors just do not care too much about BU silver pandas

Yaaaayyyy !!! … This is great news … I’m loading up on bags of cheap pandas on my trip to China next year !!!  :001_smile:

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« Reply #108 on: September 04, 2011, 10:44:20 AM »
I have some questions for the Chinese speaking members of the Forum concerning the list of rankings by Huang Rui Yong.  Some of the coins seem to be very poorly ranked.  For instance, and there are many, in the platinum section he gives 4 stars to the 1994, and 1995 1/20th Pandas along with the 1997 1/10th ounce Panda.  That is a big disparity in value.  The 1997 is far more valuable.  There seem to be many items in the rankings with this problem.  Can someone elaborate?  Am I losing something in the translation?


IMO, Huang ranks the coins based on the information inside China. It may be different from outside China. For example, the current value of 1 oz 1990 pt panda is about 50% of 1996 pt unicorn, but both coins are 4 stars, while the current value of 1996 1/4 oz pt unicorn (4.5 stars) is slightly lower than 1996 1 oz pt unicorn. Time will tell if the rankings are reasonable. 

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« Reply #109 on: September 04, 2011, 10:52:40 AM »

I'm just a big sucker for the truth.

It's reassuring to hear that. Several of us here are still trying to learn the source for the 2006 200 Yuan mintage of 13,770 you quoted. You said it is listed, but not where. It would be appreciated if you could clarify this, as all of us here are interested in the truth, too. Since you are a P.I. that should be an easy one.

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« Reply #110 on: September 04, 2011, 11:43:49 AM »
Your protege said "As crazy as this $h!t sounds, about a year ago I witnessed a serious crime in Toronto..... As a result Im here as a material witness for the prosecution until this trial is over....

I've been a professional dealer for 18yrs now.... I've focused the last 7yrs on Modern Chinese coinage.......I travel to china 3 times a year and I purchased over $12,000,000.00 in Chinese Pandas, Unicorns, Peacocks, Gold, Silver, Platinum, of all denoms and sizes in just the last 18 months(much to the dismay of my Wife)..... I take this very serious.....it's my life."

You've kept a really low profile for buying $12,000,000 worth of coins in the past year and a half. Too bad the protege couldn't cough up $8500 for a mirrored coin.

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« Reply #111 on: September 04, 2011, 12:28:55 PM »
Registered member of China Gold Coins Inc can subscribe to new issued coins directly at when issued price (usually 50% of the market price in recent issues), similar to the program of US Mint. If I remember correctly, the total members were over 1,500 in 2000. Majority members are collectors and will hold those coins for a long time. Most likely those coins will not be circulated in the market place and will not be counted in any population estimate outside China. Huang may have additional information about this group of collectors. China Gold Coins Inc had no longer to accept new member for coin subscription two years ago, and with limitation of purchasing to 1 set per issue.

The total planned mintage for 2000 1 oz silver panda is 169,000; 100,000 for export version and 69,000 for domestic version. To the best of my knowledge, China Mint has not issued any revised mintage information of BU silver pandas. The planned mintage of 69,000 is the lowest vs. other known planned mintages of BU 1 oz silver pandas.

There were documents to indicate that large quantities of pre-2001 coins were melted by Shanghai and Shenyang in 2001, but no document to suggest that any melted down of coins were done by China Mint after 2001. The actual mintages of BU gold pandas, including 2006, were published by Bank of China in February 2006. In 2006, the market of modern Chinese coins started to move upward. IMO, there is no reason to suggest that China Mint will melt down any gold pandas after 2006 and unconfirmed acutal mintage of 13,770 (vs. 25,600 of offically published actual mintage) for 2006 1/2 oz gold panda is just  against the trend for China Mint to issue significantly more gold pandas after 2006.

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« Reply #112 on: September 04, 2011, 02:49:07 PM »
"Your protege said "As crazy as this $h!t sounds, about a year ago I witnessed a serious crime in Toronto..... As a result Im here as a material witness for the prosecution until this trial is over...."

Ok, THAT is definitely NOT our former employee, unless he was holding out on us.  That's just plain weird and it has nothing to do with me or our company.  And frankly it sounds made up.  Btw, Adam..?  I'd be glad to buy your 2000 100Y 1oz. Gold Mirrored Ring Panda.....just let me know.

The source of the 2006 200Y Gold Panda is two people, a former Mint employee and and a former Pandaamerica employee.... I'm shocked that this seems either new or unknown to the folks on here(especially those who write books).  You're acting as if this is some sort of outrageous inaccurate claim.  This just in: IT's MINOR.  It's not going to turn the coin into a $$$$$$ Rarity over night, it's just a good prospect. PERIOD.  No mystery here.

Lighten up folks!  I sure don't want to cause someone to have a Heart Attack or a Nervous Breakdown over the mintage of an insignificant bullion piece, if the data turns out to be incorrect,  I'll be ok with that.... it's not the end of the World.

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« Reply #113 on: September 04, 2011, 03:28:36 PM »

  That's just plain weird

The source of the 2006 200Y Gold Panda is two people,   You're acting as if this is some sort of outrageous inaccurate claim.  This just in: IT's MINOR.    No mystery here.

Lighten up folks!  I sure don't want to cause someone to have a Heart Attack or a Nervous Breakdown over the mintage of an insignificant bullion piece, if the data turns out to be incorrect,  I'll be ok with that.... it's not the end of the World.


Right, it's all weird all right. Bizarre actually. To the point of being a mildly amusing story.  ;). I mean, crime, mystery, suspense, innuendo? Wow!
Right, it's minor.

I still don't see nothing that even remotely resembles any substantiated data. Numbers are supposed to come from somewhere. Yeah, it's reasonable to question sources so we know the numbers aren't just pulled out of someone's.....  :biggrin:
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Re: Actual mintages
« Reply #114 on: September 04, 2011, 04:27:50 PM »
People should be able to amiably state their opinions and ideas about anything related to chinese coins without being ridiculed. I have seen people throw out random numbers of what they perceive to be actual mintages without being grilled about where their supporting documentation is.

Regardless of who they are, when people start getting attacked for making a general comment or an opinion of theirs, it then makes other members, especially new members, apprehensive about posting anything.

I agree … people need to lighten up.

For what it’s worth I will stick to Peter Anthony’s book as I have yet to see anyone else even come close to what he has published and expend the amount of time and resources he has put into Chinese Pandas. With that being said I do find it interesting when others post possibly different mintage information than what is already accepted.

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« Reply #115 on: September 04, 2011, 04:37:10 PM »
Right you are.  ;)

"" I'm shocked that this seems either new or unknown to the folks on here(especially those who write books.""

"You guys are funny, anyone who comes out of the woodwork and calls any of you out.... You really take it personal"

I don't think anybody was taking it personal.  Just polite requests for substantiation.  A listing is that, something published. We're dying to know.

Never mind.
This has taken a turn from theater, to boring.
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Re: Actual mintages
« Reply #116 on: September 04, 2011, 04:55:24 PM »
theater to boring to rediculous  :biggrin:

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Re: Actual mintages
« Reply #117 on: September 04, 2011, 05:02:15 PM »
You may be missing a valuable clue here...

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Re: Actual mintages
« Reply #118 on: April 24, 2012, 02:22:36 AM »
Lol, most interesting thread here at CCF!

To stay on topic, is it presumed that the planned mintage of 8K 1996 silver proof pandas was reached?

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« Reply #119 on: April 24, 2012, 02:32:17 AM »


(what WAS the topic?)

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« Reply #120 on: April 30, 2014, 11:13:00 AM »
I just translated the research by Rongli Institute (directed by Huang Ruiyong) on the actual mintage of some MCCs. Here is the link: http://modern-chinese-numismatic-info.blogspot.com/2014/04/research-report-on-actual-mintage-of.html

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Re: Actual mintages
« Reply #121 on: April 30, 2014, 11:30:56 AM »
Thanks for the data.  Actual mintages are the life blood of numismatics.  I find this passage particularly encouraging:

The Rongli Institute is publishing a small amount of actual mintage data which have been verified as accurate, to answer some long time questions from collectors. There is still a lot of data to be verified by China Gold Coin Incorporation with the mints. Hopefully, after some time, China Gold Coin Incorporation will release to all of us actual mintage numbers which are authoritative, accurate and systematic.

Please continue to monitor publication from Rongli Institute and let us know when new data become available.  If large amount of mintage data is published at one time, I'll be happy to assist you with translation.

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« Reply #122 on: April 30, 2014, 01:28:08 PM »
Thank you for the great data :)

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« Reply #123 on: April 30, 2014, 11:42:30 PM »
+1.

Fwang2450,
You are a great source of information for anything concerning coins. Thanks!

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« Reply #124 on: May 01, 2014, 09:28:22 AM »
Thanks for the data.  Actual mintages are the life blood of numismatics.  I find this passage particularly encouraging:

The Rongli Institute is publishing a small amount of actual mintage data which have been verified as accurate, to answer some long time questions from collectors. There is still a lot of data to be verified by China Gold Coin Incorporation with the mints. Hopefully, after some time, China Gold Coin Incorporation will release to all of us actual mintage numbers which are authoritative, accurate and systematic.

Please continue to monitor publication from Rongli Institute and let us know when new data become available.  If large amount of mintage data is published at one time, I'll be happy to assist you with translation.



Basically China Gold Coin Inc. knows the actual mintage numbers?   Why will they not release them?......

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« Reply #125 on: June 04, 2014, 01:56:55 PM »
are these nuimber confirmed?

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« Reply #126 on: August 14, 2014, 01:17:17 AM »
Translation of the 2015 precious metal commemorative coins as provided by xuhong here: http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=10675.0

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« Reply #127 on: August 14, 2014, 12:17:45 PM »
Hmmm... If China Mint is planning on changing over from troy ounce to grams/kilograms on their coins, how come the mintage limit list still specifies troy ounce?  N20 Can't wait till we see advanced pics of the 2015 bullion issues so we can see how they are labeled and if they will be in round gram weights.  N23
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Re: Actual mintages
« Reply #128 on: January 14, 2016, 11:51:16 AM »
There are some reference books for Chinese gold and silver coins providing the infomation of planned and actual mintages. Here is one example:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/221993823797

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« Reply #129 on: March 03, 2016, 09:09:20 PM »
Cross reference to discussion on mintage of gold panda from 2000 to 2013 and subsequent discussions:
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=12106.msg71653#msg71653

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« Reply #130 on: March 04, 2016, 12:06:54 AM »
Cross reference to discussion on mintage of gold panda from 2000 to 2013 and subsequent discussions:
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=12106.msg71653#msg71653

Poconopenn provided a link to a table he posted on eBay as follows: http://www.ebay.com/gds/Mintages-of-China-Gold-Pandas-1982-2006-/10000000003517751/g.html

I did a screenshot of the table and I am posting it here to immortalize the table on CCF and make it easier to access. However, the original post on ebay is still worth a read as it provides more background material for the table.

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Re: Actual mintages
« Reply #131 on: May 08, 2016, 04:40:01 AM »
Hi,

what is the mintage of the 150 Yuan 1995 Unicorn silver? Thank you for help.

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« Reply #132 on: May 28, 2016, 01:02:53 AM »
Hi,

what is the mintage of the 150 Yuan 1995 Unicorn silver? Thank you for help.

Banyantree
Hi,

what is the mintage of the 150 Yuan 1995 Unicorn silver? Thank you for help.

Banyantree

It says 500 in recent Wang Shi Hong's book as planned mintage. In Mr. Ge's book, 500 planned mintage and 103 actual mintage.
Hope this helps.

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« Reply #133 on: May 28, 2016, 02:00:53 AM »
Thank you.