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BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« on: January 13, 2017, 03:17:20 PM »
Purchased a 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, serial number 2706290-001 on December 30.  Coins was shipped express mail on December 30 from Humble, Texas.  The package was not scanned by the post office and was stolen from the deposit box. If someone offers you this coin, please contact myself and Doug Davis of Numismatic Crime Divsion.
http://www.numismaticcrimes.org/?q=contact

Tracking info
https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction_input?origTrackNum=9471203699300004492246

Ebay listing
2000 China 50 Yuan "Mirrored Ring" Gold Panda Coin NGC/NCS MS69 Conserved!!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/201764987702

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Re: BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2017, 03:26:01 PM »
Purchased a 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, serial number 2706290-001 on December 30.  Coins was shipped express mail on December 30 from Humble, Texas.  The package was not scanned by the post office and was stolen from the deposit box. If someone offers you this coin, please contact myself and Doug Davis of Numismatic Crime Divsion.
http://www.numismaticcrimes.org/?q=contact

Tracking info
https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction_input?origTrackNum=9471203699300004492246

Ebay listing
2000 China 50 Yuan "Mirrored Ring" Gold Panda Coin NGC/NCS MS69 Conserved!!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/201764987702


I'm sorry you have to deal with that :(

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Re: BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2017, 05:11:27 PM »
This really sucks! Sorry to hear about it. Everybody who buys or sells coins online empathize with this experience. I hope it gets resolved soon.

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Re: BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2017, 05:45:08 PM »
I'm very sorry to hear this as well.  Very unfortunate. 

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Re: BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2017, 05:50:36 PM »
Man that really stinks. From what I understand about ebay rules, the ebay seller is still responsible for it at this point and the buyer should be covered by Paypal. Good reason to use registered mail when possible, even though it's a bit more of a hassle. 

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Re: BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2017, 07:26:31 PM »
Seller should have just waited in line to ensure the package was scanned, assuming they did take it to post office as represented.

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Re: BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2017, 08:20:43 PM »
Sorry to hear of your bad experience. Best wishes.
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Re: BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2017, 10:11:09 PM »
Seller refunded my money today, he is convinced that coin is lost and started insurance claim.  I will be surprised if Hugh Wood pays, since there is no proof the item was even shipped.  Will update once the claim gets paid or denied.

Lesson learned from this transaction and others in 2016:
1) Never allow a seller to simply put the package into box without getting a scan.  I was shocked when he told me that he dropped it off at the box.  Then added he lives in a good neighborhood so don't worry. Always require seller gets the package scanned at post office. 

2) Avoid buying high price item from someone you don't have a history of business with or doesn't have experience shipping high value items.

3) Avoid buying from someone that does a lot of back and forth on price, that is always a red flag that if someone outbids you by a cent you will not get the coin even after seller commits, the relationship has no value,you are just number with a paddle in your hand.

4) Avoid doing off ebay transaction with sellers you haven't done business with on eBay, I tired to buy this coin on eBay, but when I got the counter offer I called the number in the listing and did the deal offline to make the price within my buy range.

In 8 years this is only the second time I have lost package either sent to me or I sent to someone.  In that example, I shipped 4 lbs of silver in small flat rate box in December 2008, which I put in a paper express envelope, but at that time didn't tape all edges, so inner box riped out of the paper envelope and broken envelope arrived. Post office paid my $5000 insurance claim, however the package value was $6500 so I still took a small loss. Now I limit package weight 2 lbs, put small box inside paper envelope, then put envelope into another padded envelope, with all three packages edges taped so there is no way for the box or envelope to rip open.  Ever since never had an incident, despite hundreds of shipments to Shanghai, Hong Kong and Singapore.

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Re: BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2017, 02:40:44 AM »
 
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.. put small box inside paper envelope, then put envelope into another padded envelope, with all three packages edges taped so there is no way for the box or envelope to rip open.... 

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Re: BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2017, 05:00:45 AM »
Not only do I have trackable packages with prepaid labels scanned in I also ask for printed receipts.
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Re: BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2017, 05:09:55 AM »
Well all I can say is the seller didnt send someone else their coin that was bought from him on ebay. ??? Just saying, I cant think of anyone taking a $4K coin to mail at post office and put in box without scan to show it was at post office. But what do I know?

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Re: BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2017, 05:15:18 AM »
Sounds like he put it in his mailbox and put the flag up.  Sad part is no scan no insurance.  Over a certain dollar amount registered mail is the way to go or fedex.  Sounds a little odd if you ask me.

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Re: BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2017, 05:53:25 AM »
"...good neighborhood so don't worry...".

People forget there is an amazing thing calls ... car ... that allows bad elements from one location to appear in another location fairly quick.

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Re: BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2017, 06:18:53 AM »
He put it in the large blue boxes along the street, not his personal box, if he did that I would have told him to take it out and go to post office.

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Re: BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2017, 06:34:13 AM »
Purchased a 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, serial number 2706290-001 on December 30.  Coins was shipped express mail on December 30 from Humble, Texas.  The package was not scanned by the post office and was stolen from the deposit box. If someone offers you this coin, please contact myself and Doug Davis of Numismatic Crime Divsion.
http://www.numismaticcrimes.org/?q=contact

Have you contacted NGC regarding this coin?  Someone might try to get the coin into a slab with a different number.  I don't know NGC's current technology, but perhaps they now take photos of the coin in a way that records a digital fingerprint of all the unique imperfection of its surface.  If someone tries to crack out a coin and resubmit it, NGC's computers might be able to recognize it?  Moreover, since this is such an infrequently submitted coin in the US, it might be worth telling NGC to be on the lookout for someone sending a raw (cracked out) 2000 G1/2 mirror for grading.

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Re: BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2017, 07:49:30 AM »
I posted i had several packages ripped off when i first started collecting.     I mail differently today and w/ caution.     I write on back of package "Bible readings" or other creative comments to keep thieves away.    Contacted the FBI several times along w/ the postal inspector.     Word got out to ALL the rural mail carriers that the Fed was looking into stolen packages.    I even drove to nearby town that mail goes thru, 1 1/2 hrs away, and told the postal employees i am the one that lost packages and am working w/ Feds to stop post office employee thefts.     I have lost zero since then.    Our hot spot was the distribution center in Pendleton OR.     The thefts for me happened at time frame of X mas or Holidays when temporary employees are hired.    It pays to ring bells w/ FBI even when they ignore you and ask you to contact post office, word gets out.......Contact all coin dealers in your area w/ NGC numbers.....

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Re: BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2017, 04:40:08 PM »
That is almost 5 grand and glad to hear you get the refund.

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Re: BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2017, 11:27:41 AM »
I had a coin stolen by a post office employee in a  post office hub Sandstone VA ..packages a sent there by local post offices as it is close t the airport and that is the jump off post office .the postal inspectors caught the guy .. long time employee with a drug habit ... It was a $150 panda and i did not insure it .The postal inspectors found my outer packaging in this guys garbage can.Along with multiple packages including from the blue nile the diamond company.Well post office paid me nothing ,the crook got long probation .Lost his job and owes me restitution. Needless to say i have received nothing . The post office did keep me informed of the disposition of the case the whole way.

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Re: BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2017, 03:17:01 PM »
It doesn't take much for local post office staff to figure out what their regular customers do and ship. Luckily, professionalism, rules and regulations prevent mayhem but there will always be a few rotten eggs in every human institution.
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Re: BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2017, 04:52:46 PM »
I noticed that the post person in our neighborhood changed very often, sometimes less than a month. Is there a regulation in USPS that requires such changes to avoid such things?

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Re: BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2017, 06:10:43 AM »
they use many contract workers now ..so personnel changes frequently  as far as delivery people go

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Re: BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2017, 06:19:44 PM »
After 20 days without a pickup scan, the package finally scanned on 19th and delivered on the 20th.  In all these years never seen such a delayed pick-up.  What is ironic is I had sent a text to the seller that morning letting him know that I notified dealers and collectors about the stolen NGC serial number, hours later it was picked up by the post office, just lucky I guess.

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Re: BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2017, 06:59:11 PM »
Always good to give people the benefit of the doubt, but it sure sounds like he "forgot" to ship it. 

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Re: BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2017, 11:06:45 AM »
Arif, did you finally get the item?

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Re: BEWARE: Stolen 2000 1/2 mirror NGC MS69, 2706290-001
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2017, 02:37:14 PM »
Yes the coin arrived on Jan 20th in perfect condition.  It all worked out.