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New Panda Buyers Guide
« on: October 03, 2016, 09:24:40 AM »

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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2016, 10:39:10 AM »
I slept through 3 editions.  That was some party last night (I believe it was last night).

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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2016, 11:14:11 AM »
There are actually six editions that have been published of the "Gold & Silver Panda Coin Buyer's Guide." The two public editions, a Chinese language edition published in China and – for the last three years – a private edition for the customers of GovMint.com. Before the end of the year there will be a new, revised public edition available. It will be a new smaller, more portable size like the Chinese version. It will also include stories and information that were not yet available when the the last GovMint.com edition went to press.

Does that help?

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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2016, 11:25:36 AM »
Peter

I wish to reserve two copies of the new edition of your book in advance.  How much will it cost?  Where do I send my check?  I have found your book to be very, very information and extremely helpful as I build my small collection of modern Chinese coins and medals.

Mark Bonke

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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2016, 11:33:28 AM »
Were there any factual differences btw the public editions and the 3 private additions?

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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2016, 11:44:50 AM »
Were there any factual differences btw the public editions and the 3 private additions?

Yes. In fact I looked at the GovMint edition yesternight. It has chapters covering up to 2016. Even the former chapters have some new photos. I didn't read through the text much to see if there was a substantial rewrite of the older chapters.
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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2016, 11:53:13 AM »
Were there any factual differences btw the public editions and the 3 private additions?

Any updates are applied to each new edition. So none are exactly the same.

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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2016, 11:54:14 AM »
Yes. In fact I looked at the GovMint edition yesternight. It has chapters covering up to 2016. Even the former chapters have some new photos. I didn't read through the text much to see if there was a substantial rewrite of the older chapters.

There are substantial rewrites and additions in the upcoming public edition.

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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2016, 12:19:09 PM »
Any updates are applied to each new edition. So none are exactly the same.

Best wishes,
Peter Anthony
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www.pandacollector.com

Ok I will say it.  I am kind of upset that myself nor probably other members of this all China coin forum were not made aware of the 3-5 editions.  Additionally as a subscriber to the pricepedia there was also no mention.  Frankly we have supported you and promoted your book to many others and I would have thought that if there was new factual information available you would have at least gave us the opportunity to purchase the new book or make us aware of its existence.  Unfortunately I don't buy anything from Govt.  Mint.

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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2016, 05:15:56 PM »
Ok I will say it.  I am kind of upset that myself nor probably other members of this all China coin forum were not made aware of the 3-5 editions.  Additionally as a subscriber to the pricepedia there was also no mention.  Frankly we have supported you and promoted your book to many others and I would have thought that if there was new factual information available you would have at least gave us the opportunity to purchase the new book or make us aware of its existence.  Unfortunately I don't buy anything from Govt.  Mint.

I am very sorry that the GovMint.com editions were only available to their own customers. That was part of the arrangement. On the other hand, the people I rely on in the coin industry have told me that the extra demand created by these editions have helped support the entire panda markets for the last few years.

I hope you will find the third edition worth the wait. Once there is a firm shipping date it will be announced here on the Chinese Coin Forum.

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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2016, 06:04:15 PM »
Peter.....seriously, that is your response.   This forum and its members are a valuable resource regarding modern Chinese coins and to the coin community.  So much so that I believe information identified by forum members ended up in you second edition.  That same edition that we all thought was the most recent.  You could have had the decency and respect for CCF members to at least inform us of the other editions.  Especially since many members were asking about the next book.  Whereby your response was you were working on it....all along editions 3-5 were published.   

Thanks for all your support

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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2016, 09:22:22 PM »
Peter.....seriously, that is your response.   This forum and its members are a valuable resource regarding modern Chinese coins and to the coin community.  So much so that I believe information identified by forum members ended up in you second edition.  That same edition that we all thought was the most recent.  You could have had the decency and respect for CCF members to at least inform us of the other editions.  Especially since many members were asking about the next book.  Whereby your response was you were working on it....all along editions 3-5 were published.  

Thanks for all your support

The GovMint.com editions were not for sale to the public. It was not my prerogative to make an announcement about a book edition printed solely for GovMint.com customers.  

The next public edition of  "The Gold & Silver Panda Coin Buyer's Guide" is about to go to the printer. It contains a significant amount of original information that has never been published before. Availability will be announced here on the Coin Forum as soon as there is a shipping date.

For the record, I greatly appreciate the support I have received from my many friends on this forum.

Best wishes,
Peter Anthony
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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2016, 10:15:31 PM »
I think it is great that a major US dealer wants to give a panda book to its customer even if it means I can't buy one.  The more new collectors created by any means is good for all of us.  

The main difference between govmint book and regular book is the ads, the govmint book doesn't have ads from other dealers and lists govmint as main seller of panda coins.  Also the information it contains about 2015-2016 really can't be that important as those are really just bullion coins for another decade or so.  For the record I have never seen the books, someone told me about them and those were the only differences that the customer noticed relative to the book we all have.  

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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2016, 12:28:36 AM »
I think it is great that a major US dealer wants to give a panda book to its customer even if it means I can't buy one.  The more new collectors created by any means is good for all of us. 

I agree. More collectors is better overall. Especially, if they can pay govmint premiums. I'm all for it! I'm also waiting for this book. I would like to purchase a couple of copies and give one away on my YT channel as a promotion.

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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2016, 01:29:59 AM »
I believe we are all eagerly waiting for Mr. Peter Anthony's Book's new edition.

Many thanks for writing this book in the first place and keeping up with the updating and new editions.

It is clear that this book did a great deal to spread information on Chinese coins all over the globe.

It influenced my early collection pattern. I still refer to it!
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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2016, 06:22:09 AM »
Hmm.  I'm a bit bothered by the fact that we have CCF members that are not under contractual obligation didn't informed the forum/other members there are more "latest" release out there.  Oh well.

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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2016, 08:15:59 AM »
Peter

I wish to reserve two copies of the new edition of your book in advance.  How much will it cost?  Where do I send my check?  I have found your book to be very, very information and extremely helpful as I build my small collection of modern Chinese coins and medals.

Mark Bonke

+1.

I'd also like to take the opportunity to give my sincere appreciation to the "senior" CCF members(wont list all of you, but you know). The knowledgeable members here, Peters book/CP, together with my own little research from ebay/zhao/Lugong has been my tools to start collecting and but also to change my path of what coins to look for and what to buy/sell.

Peter,
Again great job! Looking fwd to a new version of the book. :)
/Mowi

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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2016, 09:31:02 AM »
I think it is great that a major US dealer wants to give a panda book to its customer even if it means I can't buy one.  The more new collectors created by any means is good for all of us. 



This goes without saying.  However the main point here is that Peter was being a little disingenuous to this forum when members were specifically asking about the next book.  His direct response was he was working on it.  All along three other editions were already published that he failed to mention on purpose for whatever reason.

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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2016, 01:16:29 PM »
I can't wait for the next edition. Looking forward to it.  Also think Peter, as an entrepreneur is free to disclose and distribute as he wishes.  If he contracted an exclusive deal with Gov Mint for a book he wrote then kudos to him. With the next edition we will see more interest in coins we have tucked away since long ago.  Exciting times are ahead.

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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2016, 03:53:13 PM »
Well said Wafdawg. IMO, Peter Anthony is a very honest and straight forward person. To my knowledge, he has never shown any inclination toward deception or omission for personal gain. I completely agree that his contributions through his books and articles   are almost incalculable for Panda collectors. I look forward to the release of his next public edition book for new insights into current Panda releases as well as new potential varieties in the Panda series.

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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2016, 06:12:45 PM »
I am truly sorry that Chris, whom I greatly respect, isn't pleased with the book publicity situation. All I can add is that I would have been delighted to announce this, it was very good news for me, but it wasn't my news to make public. The forthcoming edition is my news and if you see a guy standing outside with a sign reading, "Panda books for sale," you can guess who it is.

P.S. I will have something else that is interesting (hopefully) to announce in the next week, or so.

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« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2016, 07:10:20 PM »
Thanks Peter ........  looking forward to the news .. I kinda get how Chris felt, the hunger for knowledge is much appreciated, but I completely get that a company like gov mint would want exclusivity for there customers for something they contracted with you to publish for their customers ..... also there is this thing about being in a free country and free speech and such that seems to have been put on the back burner lately ....things like the second amendment and such.............  GO VOTE   

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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2016, 08:08:22 PM »
I agree. More collectors is better overall. Especially, if they can pay govmint premiums. I'm all for it! I'm also waiting for this book. I would like to purchase a couple of copies and give one away on my YT channel as a promotion.
I'll tell you another side. As a coin dealer, taking calls from people who have spent $5000 on common 1.9 oz gold panda sets and having to break the news regarding what is fair market value is one of the things I dislike the most. How many people must the hobby lose from buying counterfeits or (just as bad?), overpaying in a big way - even from a company they came to trust in? In my experience these guys don't represent more collectors, they become people who 'move on' from a bad experience never to look back.

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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2016, 01:45:11 AM »
I'll tell you another side. As a coin dealer, taking calls from people who have spent $5000 on common 1.9 oz gold panda sets and having to break the news regarding what is fair market value is one of the things I dislike the most. How many people must the hobby lose from buying counterfeits or (just as bad?), overpaying in a big way - even from a company they came to trust in? In my experience these guys don't represent more collectors, they become people who 'move on' from a bad experience never to look back.

This is an EXCELLENT point, and one which should resonate with everyone on this forum.  Take a look at this listing...

http://www.govmint.com/world-coins/top-world-coins/panda-coins/2013-china-gold-panda-prestige-set-pcgs-ms69-first-strike.html

Can you imagine the disappointment and feeling of regret and/or shame a buyer will feel when they discover how grossly they've overpaid for that set?   People here criticize Apmex for having outrageously high prices, but even Apmex is selling this exact same set (including First Strike designation) for only $3358, just over half the price of GovMint.   $5995 for this set isn't just an overcharge, it's a blatant rip-off.   I'm not begrudging Peter for selling to them - everyone has to take their customers where they can get them, and keep the electricity and the heat on however one can.   And I'm not begrudging capitalism or GovMint's attempts at profit - I'm no James Taggart.   But we should think twice before singing any praises about this company helping the panda coin market.  At the prices they're charging, they don't give an ounce of bat guano about the longevity or health of the panda coin market.
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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2016, 06:27:33 AM »
GovMint has always fished whales.

At least for as long as I have been collecting.

I can't remember the last time I visited their web site; at least one year.

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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2016, 08:32:22 AM »
Fishing "whales" is different, and I don't think they are.  Their most expensive Chinese coin item is under $9K - that's barely "whale" territory.  I'd bet many of the people on this forum have an annual-buy budget higher than that and/or coins worth more than that.   A real whale hunter is this seller, with multiple coins over $100K:

http://stores.ebay.com/huayinshoucangcoins/

GovMint isn't fishing "whales", they're fishing for people who don't yet know better and likely aren't whales.  And after they've received Peter's beautiful privately-distributed Panda Guide and figured out the mintage and rarity (or complete lack thereof) of the 2016 MS70 set that they just paid $8995 for (a price for which the customer should probably be receiving 2 sets, with money left over), they likely won't ever be Chinese panda collectors again.   And Peter's book ends up in the fireplace, or lying out in the street.  Which is entirely irrelevant to this particular conversation, but relevant to the overall health, integrity, and longevity of the panda market.   And possibly relevant to Peter, as anyone even loosely associated with such a horribly one-sided transaction may be similarly yet unjustly tinged with disrepute.   I'm glad CCL brought it up.   
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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2016, 08:57:23 AM »
Fishing "whales" is different, and I don't think they are.  Their most expensive Chinese coin item is under $9K - that's barely "whale" territory.  I'd bet many of the people on this forum have an annual-buy budget higher than that and/or coins worth more than that.   A real whale hunter is this seller, with multiple coins over $100K:

http://stores.ebay.com/huayinshoucangcoins/

GovMint isn't fishing "whales", they're fishing for people who don't yet know better and likely aren't whales.  And after they've received Peter's beautiful privately-distributed Panda Guide and figured out the mintage and rarity (or complete lack thereof) of the 2016 MS70 set that they just paid $8995 for (a price for which the customer should probably be receiving 2 sets, with money left over), they likely won't ever be Chinese panda collectors again.   And Peter's book ends up in the fireplace, or lying out in the street.  Which is entirely irrelevant to this particular conversation, but relevant to the overall health, integrity, and longevity of the panda market.   And possibly relevant to Peter, as anyone even loosely associated with such a horribly one-sided transaction may be similarly yet unjustly tinged with disrepute.   I'm glad CCL brought it up.  

FWIW, considering the number of copies that have been printed, as far as I can tell only a very small percentage have been put up for sale as used books. Maybe they are all ashes in fireplaces? It appears that the recipients are keeping them, in one condition or another. If you are asking if I feel "tinged with disrepute" about giving people accurate information and possibly making them more interested in Panda coins and Chinese culture, the answer is no, quite the contrary.

I can't help but add that if, as you suggest, the result of reading my book and gaining wisdom is that people quit the Panda market in droves, than it is odd that GovMint.com has repeated the distribution two more times after the first mailing.

Best wishes,
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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2016, 09:11:32 AM »
FWIW, considering the number of books that have been printed, as far as I can tell only a very small percentage have been put up for sale as used books. Maybe they are all ashes in fireplaces? It appears that the recipients are keeping them, in one condition or another. If you are asking if I feel "tinged with disrepute" about giving people accurate information and possibly making them more interested in Panda coins, the answer is no.

Best wishes,
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Hi Peter,

I am quite certain you've misunderstood my comment (notice the word "unjustly" in there).  It's not about how you feel, it's about how the buyers of some of GovMint's grossly overpriced panda coins feel.  And the comment was made in response to the notion that GovMint is expanding the panda collecting base.  Which they probably are, with an unhealthy helping of collateral damage along the way.  All you are doing is putting out a book - you have no reason to feel anything but proud.   So no, I wasn't asking if you feel tinged with disrepute.  It's not about you - it's about the buyers of GovMint's coins.  

Of course, I have no idea how those people really feel - I've never paid GovMint $8995 for a $3000 set of coins.  All I can do - all any of us on this forum can do - is try and put ourselves in the shoes of a person who has made that mistake, and try to imagine how that person would feel about continuing their journey toward a collection of panda coins.  And, as it relates to you, how that person would feel about any entity associated with the transaction.  It's very possible that your book would turn out to be the highlight, maybe the only positive aspect, of that transaction and the buyer walks away thinking "I just got completely and utterly ripped off, but at least I now have a fantastic reference guide that will help me make sure I never make that mistake again."   With that outcome, you'd have reason to be even more proud of your book and all the work you've put in.  With that outcome, your book may be the one thing that actually keeps that customer from abandoning the hobby.

I hope that clarifies the point of my comment, and my thinking.

Best,
Eric
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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2016, 09:15:50 AM »
Thanks for the kind comment, Eric. I added that last line while you were posting.

Best wishes,
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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2016, 09:35:00 AM »
Thanks for the kind comment, Eric. I added that last line while you were posting.

Best wishes,
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Sure thing Peter.   I see your comment addition, regarding additional distributions.  That's great for all of us - the more of your books in circulation, the better for the hobby.  I'm glad you understand my point - it's not your book that may cause the hobby to lose collectors, it's the regret that comes from grossly overpaying for something with minimal rarity.  And it would be very unjust for you to suffer from any association with that transaction.   Which isn't to suggest that you should abandon that relationship - on the contrary, we need your books in those customers' hands.   We need you to educate the masses, so to speak.  But from a state-of-the-hobby standpoint, I thought CCL brought up an interesting angle that I was trying to flesh out a bit more.   I may or may not have accomplished that!

Like everyone else, I'm looking forward to your next public printing and wish you good fortune until then.

Eric
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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2016, 10:29:00 AM »
I was reading the description of the 2013 set on govmint and comparing it to apmex, one is hyping the set as the key set to own of a lifetime, while the other is just stating the facts and charging 44% less.  Mintage of 1000 is the same marketing tactic used to sell various configurations of unicorn coins back in the mid-90s, you bundle a few 5000 mintage coins into a unique set and produce 750 special set COA and sell it as 750 mintage set.  The first thought that crossed my mind is if you are marketing the set as 1000 mintage (I know it is first strike) and then you get Peter's book and it states mintages of 600,000 to 800,000 - won't you feel that you were misled.  I wonder which customers are targeted for this book.  

The typical customer is grandma buying a present for their grandchild, the child grows up to sell it 10-20 years later and has no idea what grandma paid and sells at melt, so most of these people never know they were overcharged.  The second scenario is grandpa buys the set for his own retirement and few years later decides to sell and realizes he overpaid.  The final scenario is young collector or trader buys the set as investment and after few months or years tries to sell it and finds out he overpaid.  There is saying that great assets move from weak hands to strong hands and poor asset move from strong hands to weak hands.

Govmint - $5995: Among the stunning coins issued by the China Mint, there is perhaps no set more deserving of its title than the 2013 Prestige First Strike Gold Panda Set. After all, less than 1,000 people in the world can ever own this extremely limited five-piece gold Panda set. For many China Panda buyers, it represents the 'Best of the Best': Five 2013 Gold Pandas struck in 99.9% fine gold in sizes ranging from one Troy ounce to one-twentieth ounce, a special oval Year of the Snake medallion in one Troy ounce of 99.9% silver (only available in this set), and with an official mint certificate.  But, prestige gets even better when you add pedigree! The China Mint sent these coins directly to Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS) accompanied by an official letter from the mint, certifying them as First Strike® coins. This 2013 Prestige First Strike Gold Panda Set includes only those coins which earned the near-perfect grade of Mint State-69 (MS69) First Strike (FS). Prestige and pedigree can be yours today simply by picking up that other modern 'P' marvel: the phone!

Apmex - $3357:  This 5-Coin Gold Panda Prestige Set is graded a near perfect MS-69 by PCGS and includes the First Strike label ensuring that it is one of the first few released from the mint! A silver 1 oz colorized snake medal is also included. The set includes the 2013 1 oz 500 Yuan, 2013 1/2 oz 200 Yuan, 2013 1/4 oz 100 Yuan, 2013 1/10th oz 50 Yuan and 2013 1/20th oz 20 Yuan. A Great way to acquire all 5 Chinese 2013 Gold Pandas! The actual gold weight of this set is 1.90 oz. Comes with a presentation box and certificate of authenticity.

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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2016, 01:15:30 PM »

Govmint - $5995: Among the stunning coins issued by the China Mint, there is perhaps no set more deserving of its title than the 2013 Prestige First Strike Gold Panda Set. After all, less than 1,000 people in the world can ever own this extremely limited five-piece gold Panda set. For many China Panda buyers, it represents the 'Best of the Best': Five 2013 Gold Pandas struck in 99.9% fine gold in sizes ranging from one Troy ounce to one-twentieth ounce, a special oval Year of the Snake medallion in one Troy ounce of 99.9% silver (only available in this set), and with an official mint certificate.  But, prestige gets even better when you add pedigree! The China Mint sent these coins directly to Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS) accompanied by an official letter from the mint, certifying them as First Strike® coins. This 2013 Prestige First Strike Gold Panda Set includes only those coins which earned the near-perfect grade of Mint State-69 (MS69) First Strike (FS). Prestige and pedigree can be yours today simply by picking up that other modern 'P' marvel: the phone!


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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2016, 02:50:58 PM »
guess the price of 2016 China Gold "Prestige" Panda 5pc Set NGC MS70 First Releases then press the link:

http://www.govmint.com/world-coins/by-country-a-f/china-coins/2016-china-gold-panda-prestige-set-ngc-ms70-first-releases.html

I added the " " to Prestige by the way

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« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2016, 02:54:24 PM »
there's this one too: http://www.govmint.com/world-coins/by-country-a-f/china-coins/2016-china-gold-panda-prestige-set-ngc-ms70-first-releases.html

Yes, that appears to be the most egregious example.  I pointed that out this morning, in support of your original post, that at that price the buyer should be getting TWO sets and still have plenty of money left over.   
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« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2016, 03:02:03 PM »
yes absolutely! It gets me how many of these things are sold out, they do manage to sell them.

Must have a line up of smooth talkers on the phones.

This company brought a lot of great material to the U.S and many of their customers made big profits if they bought the right stuff in the 1990's and held long enough. Actually, I'll also compliment them in that period of time on the work that went into the boxes, paperwork, written materials that told stories of Chinese culture and history. That was a very different era however and one would suspect few people involved back then to still be around.

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« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2016, 04:43:39 PM »
This organization is by far a big rip, however,  there are to many people with too much bloody money.  If people would stop throwing money at everything out there, thinking they are going to make millions and they a little research we would not have these problems.  There is nothing more that I can't stand than people not educating themselves when resources are available.  Time and effort are the key to wealth.  Peters book is there to educate us.  Peter is the solution not the problem.  We all are capable of making decisions.  If a killer deal came up for sale on eBay I'm going to buy it I am not going to ask permission from this forum.  Are you kidding me.  We are all here to support each other but we are all capable of making our own decisions.  Peter you will always have my respect.  I appreciate all that your have done to educate us all.  Thank you

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« Reply #36 on: October 05, 2016, 05:20:32 PM »


This company brought a lot of great material to the U.S and many of their customers made big profits if they bought the right stuff in the 1990's and held long enough. Actually, I'll also compliment them in that period of time on the work that went into the boxes, paperwork, written materials that told stories of Chinese culture and history. That was a very different era however and one would suspect few people involved back then to still be around.

Yes, this company was my source of MCC in 1990’s. However, I had not bought any MCC form this company since 2000 for the obvious reason.

 
The next public edition of  "The Gold & Silver Panda Coin Buyer's Guide" is about to go to the printer. It contains a significant amount of original information that has never been published before. Availability will be announced here on the Coin Forum as soon as there is a shipping date.

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Peter,
When are you going to publish second edition of Chinese version of your panda guide?

There are many panda collectors inside China. However, they simply do not have the resource to find the information of earlier issued pandas wrote in Chinese. The collector will not buy collectible unless they have the knowledge to assess the valuation of the item. Many post-2000 pandas have a valuation higher than pre-2000, since China Mint has published sufficient information of post-2000 MCC, while information of pre-2000 is very limited. Apparently, the limited distribution of first Chinese edition with 1000 copies has not generated enough impact during last two years.  Hopefully, your second edition of Chines version panda guide, with an incresed number of copies and a better distribution network, will bridge the information gap and attract more panda collectors inside China to buy earlier pandas.

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« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2016, 08:04:17 PM »
I have heard that gov mint calls the mark,s they suckered in and try,s to rip them off again on new offerings ..... shameless, I met an older women who had bought all 3 2008 Olympic gold and silver sets from these crooks she got suckered for close to 15k .... the gold in the sets was graded ngc 70 the silver was ungraded .. she bought it over the phone she was sold it as an investment of a life time .....  when I told her on a good day it was worth 1/3 what she paid for it she burst in tears..

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« Reply #38 on: October 05, 2016, 08:20:16 PM »
Yes, this company was my source of MCC in 1990’s. However, I had not bought any MCC form this company since 2000 for the obvious reason.
Peter,
When are you going to publish second edition of Chinese version of your panda guide?

There are many panda collectors inside China. However, they simply do not have the resource to find the information of earlier issued pandas wrote in Chinese. The collector will not buy collectible unless they have the knowledge to assess the valuation of the item. Many post-2000 pandas have a valuation higher than pre-2000, since China Mint has published sufficient information of post-2000 MCC, while information of pre-2000 is very limited. Apparently, the limited distribution of first Chinese edition with 1000 copies has not generated enough impact during last two years.  Hopefully, your second edition of Chines version panda guide, with an incresed number of copies and a better distribution network, will bridge the information gap and attract more panda collectors inside China to buy earlier pandas.

When the English version is printed I will submit it to my publisher in China. I won't know when until after that occurs.

Best wishes,
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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #39 on: October 05, 2016, 08:53:28 PM »
guess the price of 2016 China Gold "Prestige" Panda 5pc Set NGC MS70 First Releases then press the link:

http://www.govmint.com/world-coins/by-country-a-f/china-coins/2016-china-gold-panda-prestige-set-ngc-ms70-first-releases.html

I added the " " to Prestige by the way

WOW. No words. Usury at its highest level.

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« Reply #40 on: October 05, 2016, 10:12:35 PM »
Did anyone see the excellent offer from MCM today regarding 1oz ANA silver medals PF70.  They were paying $200 at the ANA show to buy these coins and today they are selling PF70 for $198, this is truly a great deal, 50% discount to the lowest price sold on ebay.  This why I don't deal in new issues, MCM can wipe me out in a second even if it costs them to do so, the older 1990-2010 coins they don't have access to quantity so I still have a fighting chance.

I wonder if govmint does the same strategy, put a high price out there on the web site and then send an email offer or phone offer to customer to save 60% off the advertised price.  

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« Reply #41 on: October 05, 2016, 10:50:40 PM »
How long did the deal run for do you know? Appears to have stopped.

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« Reply #42 on: October 05, 2016, 11:25:37 PM »
It is invite only deal for previous MCM customers on ebay.  It is good for another 40 hours or so. 

Few days ago they had 50g silver at $495, $1000 discount to their normal ebay price, but the sold transaction price listed on ebay is $1495, this type of transaction where certain customers get a discount upon checkout, yet the full price is listed on ebay sale history will create artificial floor on the price for those looking at price guides or just recently completed transactions. 

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« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2016, 08:23:24 AM »
Howdy Y'all.  It sure has been a long time.

For those interested in a low priced ANA 69/70/OMP. See below. Sale ends soon. Don't forget the 10off100 code!!

Only way to get the sale price is thru the link.  N66.  N29.  :w00t:   :w00t:

https://www.moderncoinmart.com/tags/secret-sale/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=low-ana-panda&utm_campaign=MME0626&ad=MME0626



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« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2016, 01:13:53 PM »
It is invite only deal for previous MCM customers on ebay.  It is good for another 40 hours or so. 

Few days ago they had 50g silver at $495, $1000 discount to their normal ebay price, but the sold transaction price listed on ebay is $1495, this type of transaction where certain customers get a discount upon checkout, yet the full price is listed on ebay sale history will create artificial floor on the price for those looking at price guides or just recently completed transactions. 

We will remove this from CCL.

@BubbaJones, thanks for the link

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« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2016, 01:22:56 PM »
If you want to keep up with some of the latest updates from Govmint and Peter Anthony, here are some videos.

https://vimeo.com/181700738
https://vimeo.com/181705564

Great marketing videos on the Moon coins - check out the mint mark.  Only 500 sets produced.
https://vimeo.com/181242894

All gov.mint videos - many are on chinese coins, which is a positive for the hobby regardless of the prices they charge.  MCM is offering coins cheaper than anyone else for the modern issues.
https://vimeo.com/govmint/videos/page:1/sort:date

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Re: New Panda Buyers Guide
« Reply #46 on: October 06, 2016, 07:05:40 PM »
If you want to keep up with some of the latest updates from Govmint and Peter Anthony, here are some videos.

https://vimeo.com/181700738
https://vimeo.com/181705564

Great marketing videos on the Moon coins - check out the mint mark.  Only 500 sets produced.
https://vimeo.com/181242894

All gov.mint videos - many are on chinese coins, which is a positive for the hobby regardless of the prices they charge.  MCM is offering coins cheaper than anyone else for the modern issues.
https://vimeo.com/govmint/videos/page:1/sort:date

Thanks for the notice, Arif. I didn't know these interviews had been released. I agree that the marketing video is very well done.
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