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Offline fwang2450

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Re: Peoples Repulic of China Fen coins
« Reply #135 on: January 15, 2015, 04:59:10 PM »
Ebay 251792725392   1943 Fen??   Seller has several Chinese.   Not sure if they are genuine...........
Fen coins issued by the PRC started in 1955.

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Re: Peoples Repulic of China Fen coins
« Reply #136 on: January 24, 2015, 06:20:57 AM »
Can anyone confirm the existence of the 2014 1 Jiao and 1 Yuan coins? I already own a 2014 5 Jiao, but I need the other two coins mentioned for my collection. I also need two copies of the 2005 1 Jiao coin in copper-nickel (non-magnetic), one for my type set and one for my date set. All coins wanted in uncirculated condition only. If anyone has any of these coins available for sale or trade, please let me know. Thanks.

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« Reply #137 on: January 24, 2015, 06:22:38 AM »
P.S. I forgot to mention that I also need a 2013 1 Jiao coin in uncirculated condition.

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Re: Peoples Repulic of China Fen coins
« Reply #138 on: January 26, 2015, 12:44:44 AM »
Hello, interesting topic! I recently came across this coin, at local coin show. I can't find many photos for comparison, I believe this coin was minted in proof and ms. Is there a way to tell them apart? Maybe some of the more knowledgeable members can help. It is a 1980 2 Jiao Brass coin.

    I have also recently picked up a 1981 unc proof set in the original folder (Blue), and I'm looking to trade for a 1998 large date 1/20 gold panda in either ms69 or OMP for my 1/20 set. I could also throw in cash or add additional coin to trade. Please send me message if interested. Thanks so much.

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Re: Peoples Repulic of China Fen coins
« Reply #139 on: January 26, 2015, 12:50:50 AM »
I don't know why the photos are coming out sideways.

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Re: Peoples Repulic of China Fen coins
« Reply #140 on: January 26, 2015, 07:52:59 AM »
Your 1980 2J looks like the one I posted here: http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=8795.msg51345#msg51345

NGC census shows there are MS, MSPL, and PF grade for the 1980 2J.  The proof is very rare.  Attached is the side-by-side comparison of the various strikes.

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Re: Peoples Repulic of China Fen coins
« Reply #141 on: January 26, 2015, 07:56:56 AM »
I think it is just mislabeling and there is no jiao coin in PROOF quality from 1980. Probably,  others can make it more clear.

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Re: Peoples Repulic of China Fen coins
« Reply #142 on: January 26, 2015, 08:42:43 AM »
I think it is just mislabeling and there is no jiao coin in PROOF quality from 1980. Probably,  others can make it more clear.
poconopenn said that as well, but I wonder...  The set 3365098-001 to -004 looks very proof to me.

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Re: Peoples Repulic of China Fen coins
« Reply #143 on: January 26, 2015, 10:04:29 AM »
Oh, I see what's happening:  Prior to the 12/18/2013 census there was no "MSPL" catagory for the 1980 2J.  With the creation of the MSPL catagory, the population of PF and PFUC remained the same, but the population of MSPL grew month after month.  So effectively the labelling of PF/PFUC are discontinued and all proof-like 1980 2J are labelled as MSPL. 

The few PFUC looked really like proof coins.  See the picture of 2775604-016.  It is like the mint made a few undocumented proofs as gift for the VIP.

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Re: Peoples Repulic of China Fen coins
« Reply #144 on: January 26, 2015, 11:11:16 AM »
This is from Sun Keqin's catalog to be published later this year on the 1980 Great Wall coins (1 Yuan, 1/2/5 Jiao):

"1.   1980: the Great Wall set of 1980 has 3 strikes, including business strikes, bank specimens (proof like), and proof strikes. The business strike 1 Yuan coin has two varieties, the No Bricks variety and the With Bricks variety.  

The business strikes were released on April 15, 1980. Early releases and those in the black or blue album are the No Bricks variety. Later releases are the With Bricks variety.

Before the coins were released, a small number of bank specimens were distributed to the bank branches in small black albums. The strike is proof like. It is difficult to identify the coins minted for circulation from those in the black album, except Yuan. So only the Yuan coin has its varieties listed in this catalog.

A set of proof Great Wall coins of 1980 has been discovered, of the With Bricks variety. It is inferred that this set was minted in late 1980, in preparation for the production of proof coins in 1981."

In the code table I uploaded, the 1980 Great Wall coin information is as follows. The B1b line indicates proof strike:





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Re: Peoples Repulic of China Fen coins
« Reply #145 on: January 26, 2015, 04:44:41 PM »
Great info! I take it this coin is the business strike? Does anyone know the approximate value, and is it worth getting graded? Thanks for all the help!

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Re: Peoples Repulic of China Fen coins
« Reply #146 on: January 26, 2015, 10:43:29 PM »
fwang2450.

There is no mention in latest Mr. Sun’s book (2012 Edition) about proof version of 1980 great wall set. He did describe the discovery (sometime after 2008) of 4-coin (1 Yuan, 1, 2, 5 Jiao) black folder as bank specimens (pattern) in his book. The bank specimens appear to be semi-proof. It is my impression that B1b, B2b, B3b and B4b are codes for this set. Do I misread his book?

Attached is the codes for all great wall coins in 2012 edition. The book already shown those four codes mentioned in your posting.

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Re: Peoples Repulic of China Fen coins
« Reply #147 on: January 27, 2015, 01:10:18 AM »
fwang2450.

There is no mention in latest Mr. Sun’s book (2012 Edition) about proof version of 1980 great wall set. He did describe the discovery (sometime after 2008) of 4-coin (1 Yuan, 1, 2, 5 Jiao) black folder as bank specimens (pattern) in his book. The bank specimens appear to be semi-proof. It is my impression that B1b, B2b, B3b and B4b are codes for this set. Do I misread his book?

Attached is the codes for all great wall coins in 2012 edition. The book already shown those four codes mentioned in your posting.

According to his coding, the small letter "b" stands for proof coins:
"小写字母表示硬币的版别,a:普制币;b:精制币;c:样币;d:精制样币" (The lower case letter indicates strikes of the coin. a: business strike;
b: proof strike)

The above text is taken from the catalog to be published soon.

So B1b would indicate 1980 proof Great Wall 1 Yuan; B2b would indicate 1980 Great Wall 5 Jiao, and so on.

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Re: Peoples Repulic of China Fen coins
« Reply #148 on: January 30, 2015, 11:19:09 PM »
Lucky find of the day. I just acquired a 1981 1, 2 and 5 Jiao coin set in uncirculated condition from a local dealer for 30 cents. Not bad, huh?

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Re: Peoples Repulic of China Fen coins
« Reply #149 on: February 16, 2015, 12:58:24 AM »
Another great find. I just won an uncirculated 1980 Great Wall 1 Yuan on eBay for $8.03 US.