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Title: Badges and Karma
Post by: PandaOrLunar on December 04, 2012, 05:21:52 PM
I just notice that there are Badges now.  Are they helpful to anyone or are they more of making the screen more busy than necessary?

Also notice Karma.  How is the system preventing abuse (such as giving undeserved negative, etc.)?
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: dynamike51 on December 04, 2012, 05:46:50 PM
I just notice that there are Badges now.  Are they helpful to anyone or are they more of making the screen more busy than necessary?

Also notice Karma.  How is the system preventing abuse (such as giving undeserved negative, etc.)?

Excellent point.  I have had similar concerns since the new arrival of the "karma" and the most recent "badges". "karma" especially, has NO control whatsoever. Anyone can click on "applaud" or "smite" as he/she pleases - no accountability at all. Unless additional features can be implemented, such as a short comment explaining the rating, or even the user who leaves the comment, I do not see how this feature can add value.

Most recently, there were a couple of new members who obviously "abused" the "karma" system because they didn't like the responses from other members.  As PandaOrLunar points out, how can this be prevented?
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: snowball on December 04, 2012, 05:53:53 PM
hi POL

I am still working on the Badge Award system.  Well, it is just for fun. nothing special.      :001_smile:


About karma, there is a 24 hours waiting time between smites or applauds applying to all memebers including mods & admin.  This should prevent anyone giving too many undeserved negative in a short period of time.  In addition, we soon will have a Karma rule for the forum.  


best,

snowball

Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: snowball on December 04, 2012, 07:42:47 PM
Are the badges really annoying??    :crying:


dynamike51

"Unless additional features can be implemented, such as a short comment explaining the rating"
That is a good suggestion.
Let me see if I can find a karma mod with comment function. 


best,


snowball
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: PandaOrLunar on December 04, 2012, 08:10:13 PM
Are the badges really annoying??    :crying:

I'm from the old school of if not useful, then there is no need to show it.  Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: snowball on December 04, 2012, 08:31:21 PM
I'm from the old school of if not useful, then there is no need to show it.  Just my 2 cents.

Now the more I think about it, the more I feel it is useless.   :001_unsure:
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: r3globe on December 04, 2012, 09:19:03 PM
Now the more I think about it, the more I feel it is useless.   :001_unsure:

Nothing ventured, nothing gained! We all appreciate your efforts to always improve the forum :)
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: Panda Halves on December 04, 2012, 09:25:09 PM
Now the more I think about it, the more I feel it is useless.   :001_unsure:

No.........   :crying:
Where did all my badges go??!
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: dynamike51 on December 04, 2012, 09:27:22 PM
No.........   :crying:
Where did all my badges go??!

LOL .... that's like "you're de-deputized !!!"   :lol:
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: snowball on December 04, 2012, 09:36:49 PM
Thanks!  I feel much better now.   :biggrin:


Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: PandaOrLunar on December 04, 2012, 09:40:27 PM
Nothing ventured, nothing gained! We all appreciate your efforts to always improve the forum :)

Agreed 1000%  My pointing out areas should not be taken as a negative.
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: snowball on December 04, 2012, 10:01:46 PM
Agreed 1000%  My pointing out areas should not be taken as a negative.

I am really appreciated dynamike51's and your suggestion.  :thumbup:

btw, POL, have you noticed that you had a 4 Year Anniversary Badge!  :)


best,

snowball
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: dynamike51 on December 04, 2012, 10:19:46 PM
I visit silverstackers.com from time to time, and thought their site is difficult to navigate. However, there's one feature which can lend ideas to the improvement of "karma system" (if snowball decides to keep it).

http://forums.silverstackers.com/

Notice under each user, there's a "trade counter" with "+" and "-" ..... other members can leave their comments with regards to their "buy/sell/trade" experience. "Karma" can take a page from that playbook.  jmho
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: Gilmore on December 04, 2012, 10:25:37 PM
Notice under each user, there's a "trade counter" with "+" and "-" ..... other members can leave their comments with regards to their "buy/sell/trade" experience.

A trade counter would be a very useful feature
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: PandaOrLunar on December 04, 2012, 10:29:37 PM
btw, POL, have you noticed that you had a 4 Year Anniversary Badge!  :)

How time flies when you're having fun...
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: snowball on December 04, 2012, 11:01:12 PM
I visit silverstackers.com from time to time, and thought their site is difficult to navigate. However, there's one feature which can lend ideas to the improvement of "karma system" (if snowball decides to keep it).

http://forums.silverstackers.com/

Notice under each user, there's a "trade counter" with "+" and "-" ..... other members can leave their comments with regards to their "buy/sell/trade" experience. "Karma" can take a page from that playbook.  jmho


d, the trading system has been in my mind for years.  There is a good trading mod written for smf forum: http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=346
However, I just could not make my decision.  I always think the main purpose of this forum should be knowledge sharing and not trading.  That is why when the trading forum growing too fast, I have tried to slow it down by adding limitation to sellers.
Perhaps we can start a voting poll, let our members make the decision for me.  majority rules.


best,

snowball

 

Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: dynamike51 on December 04, 2012, 11:14:27 PM

d, the trading system has been in my mind for years.  There is a good trading mod written for smf forum: http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=346
However, I just could not make my decision.  I always think the main purpose of this forum should be knowledge sharing and not trading.  That is why when the trading forum growing too fast, I have tried to slow it down by adding limitation to sellers.
Perhaps we can start a voting poll, let our members make the decision for me.  majority rules.


best,

snowball

 



Some members here, such as fwang, hardly participate in trading but contribute a great deal to the success of this forum. A concept similar to the trade counter can be employed to give merit for their contribution by simply adding "karma" to trades .....   My point is, silverstackers trade counter specifies, "who from", "date", "comments" - so there's some accountability. If a comment is not warranted, it can always be modified by the Moderators.
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: snowball on December 04, 2012, 11:22:22 PM
d, I got your point.  Let me think about it.   
Thanks again for your suggestion.   :thumbup1:
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: poconopenn on December 04, 2012, 11:36:11 PM
Perhaps, the requirement of 5 posts prior to post “sell, buy and trade” in this forum by member needs to be changed to a higher number. New member ought to make some contribution to the forum prior to gain the right to trade in this forum.
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: dynamike51 on December 04, 2012, 11:43:50 PM
Some members here, such as fwang, hardly participate in trading but contribute a great deal to the success of this forum. A concept similar to the trade counter can be employed to give merit for their contribution by simply adding "karma" to trades .....   My point is, silverstackers trade counter specifies, "who from", "date", "comments" - so there's some accountability. If a comment is not warranted, it can always be modified by the Moderators.

Ooops ..... how did I forget to mention poconopenn, who has contributed a great deal to the success of this forum.   :blush:
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: snowball on December 04, 2012, 11:49:20 PM
Ooops ..... how did I forget to mention poconopenn, who has contributed a great deal to the success of this forum.   :blush:

I bet poconopenn is not interested with trading system.   :001_tongue:


The new seller requirement has been changed from 5 posts to 25 posts.
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: Mirkkanen on December 10, 2012, 10:40:06 PM
Would the members here at CCF and you, Snowball, agree to running a poll about whether a member who gives or takes away a 'karma' point from another member must make that decision public? When members start losing karma points for publicly stating an opinion, the system becomes representative of personal grudges rather than benefit/drawback of posts made.

Or, maybe we could make a thread wherein members could choose to leave feedback for members for whom they've given karma or docked?

I will have no problem with publicly disclosing every time I give or take away a karma point from another member because I will not abuse the option. Would other members like to see this as well?
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: Obsidian on December 10, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
I don't think anyone needs to be overly concerned about the karma system.  It is mostly fluff.  The only real benefit is a person that is constantly trolling or behaving in some other inappropriate manner will likely have negative karma.  The people that post a lot or have been on the forum a long time will likely have higher than average karma.  Everybody else will be in the middle.  The only real advantage I see is that someone with negative and likely multiple negative karma could be avoided and eventually even be a candidate for being suspended or banned from the forum.

In short, I wouldn't be too concerned if your karma is 2 or 10+.  Only if its -10  N26

Now the trade count system to be much more useful and reliable when it comes to buying and selling.
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: NBM on December 11, 2012, 03:00:15 AM
Would the members here at CCF and you, Snowball, agree to running a poll about whether a member who gives or takes away a 'karma' point from another member must make that decision public? When members start losing karma points for publicly stating an opinion, the system becomes representative of personal grudges rather than benefit/drawback of posts made.

Or, maybe we could make a thread wherein members could choose to leave feedback for members for whom they've given karma or docked?

I will have no problem with publicly disclosing every time I give or take away a karma point from another member because I will not abuse the option. Would other members like to see this as well?
+1 In the interest of openness and full disclosure and for all the reasons stated.
It's not as if intrigue, lack of disclosure & cliques haven't been an issue in the past.
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: snowball on December 11, 2012, 02:50:30 PM
I don't think anyone needs to be overly concerned about the karma system.  It is mostly fluff.  The only real benefit is a person that is constantly trolling or behaving in some other inappropriate manner will likely have negative karma.  The people that post a lot or have been on the forum a long time will likely have higher than average karma.  Everybody else will be in the middle.  The only real advantage I see is that someone with negative and likely multiple negative karma could be avoided and eventually even be a candidate for being suspended or banned from the forum.

In short, I wouldn't be too concerned if your karma is 2 or 10+.  Only if its -10  N26

Now the trade count system to be much more useful and reliable when it comes to buying and selling.

 N31

A slight change has been made to the Karma settings today.  From now on,  a member must have at least 50 posts to rate Karma.
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: BronzeEmu on December 25, 2012, 10:39:53 AM
Would the members here at CCF and you, Snowball, agree to running a poll about whether a member who gives or takes away a 'karma' point from another member must make that decision public? When members start losing karma points for publicly stating an opinion, the system becomes representative of personal grudges rather than benefit/drawback of posts made.

Or, maybe we could make a thread wherein members could choose to leave feedback for members for whom they've given karma or docked?

I will have no problem with publicly disclosing every time I give or take away a karma point from another member because I will not abuse the option. Would other members like to see this as well?

I agree & I'm on the same page in regard to topic. Some form of accountability would self police this very well or at least, leave a paper trail to abuse.
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: Panda Halves on December 25, 2012, 11:56:40 AM
+1 to you BronzeEmu for your opinion even though I disagree with you.
 N3
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: oober on December 25, 2012, 12:48:06 PM
I agree with some of the comments above, but one point that should be added. With this karma system, you may find some people will not post opinions based on the fear of negative karma. Especially if they are one who will do some trading.

The last thing anyone would want is the perception of being a (blank) just because some opinions may not be welcomed by others.
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: BronzeEmu on December 25, 2012, 03:16:22 PM
+1 to you BronzeEmu for your opinion even though I disagree with you.
 N3

Which in particular do you disagree PH?
Many thanks for your +1, I have very good karma in life!
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: Dr650rob on December 25, 2012, 04:34:36 PM
I don't have the option to give karma anymore
Was there some change that I missed
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: dynamike51 on December 25, 2012, 04:36:07 PM
I don't have the option to give karma anymore
Was there some change that I missed

I believe a minimum of 100 posts is required to leave karma for someone.
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: BronzeEmu on December 25, 2012, 07:02:32 PM
I believe a minimum of 100 posts is required to leave karma for someone.

Thanks for the information. Thought I read it was 50.
Happy Boxing Day everyone!
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: Silverfever on December 25, 2012, 08:54:17 PM
I read somewhere it was 50 as well.
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: Panda Halves on December 25, 2012, 09:38:59 PM
Still want the badges back...
This would be the perfect Boxing Day re-gift

 N46
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: geoxxx on December 29, 2012, 12:15:23 PM
Can someone explain to me how karma points work and what they are used for?
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: Mirkkanen on December 29, 2012, 01:12:39 PM
Once you reach a post # threshold (maybe 50 posts?), you will be able to click on one of two blue words below a user's name, "applaud" or "smite." Clicking applaud gives a user a "karma" point, which basically means that you feel that a post they made was beneficial to the community or deserving of positive recognition. Clicking smite takes away a karma point from that user, indicating your feeling that a post they made was rude/inappropriate or unhelpful.

Karma points are not used for anything (as far as I know). Karma is just a marker of how the community feels about your comments you make on this forum. A poster with positive karma may be viewed as a member whose contributions are helpful and positive.


Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: dynamike51 on December 29, 2012, 01:23:08 PM
geoxxx becomes the latest victim of "unfair" practice of our karma system.  He only has 17 posts so far, and anyone can quickly scan them to notice he didn't post anything derogatory or inappropriate.  Yet, he has -2 karma !!  Can anyone explain to me, what exactly did he do to earn those "smites"?  And who left the "smite"?  Is this how we treat newcomers?    N26
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: geoxxx on December 29, 2012, 01:57:27 PM
Oh  thank you guys for explaining this...
there must be a lot of bitter people in the world if I'm already getting smites
I don't think I have done anything mean to anyone.
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: GDG's on December 29, 2012, 02:00:53 PM
Oh  thank you guys for explaining this...
there must be a lot of bitter people in the world if I'm already getting smites
I don't think I have done anything mean to anyone.

Geo,

Don't sweat the small stuff. I think it's kind of ridiculous and never used it before but just this once I left You an applaud and dynamike for his support and common sense.
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: geoxxx on December 29, 2012, 02:04:45 PM
Thanks
If I could I would leave you one too
Its a pity we cant see who leaves the smites just to at least understand why.....
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: silverstar1 on December 30, 2012, 02:10:45 PM
Someone may want to rethink this whole karma thing as for me and many others that are new here it is a major turn off. I see it as either a thumbs up and pat on the back or a Middle Finger and a big F**k You!  everyone I have seen , me included that posted positive things or that we had the 2001 small d silver pandas were given negative karma, if you look through our posts there was nothing inappropriate what soever , Geoxxx had a negative after 1 post! And Thor ?? I have read his posts on the ss forum for quite some time and never seen anything offensive by him or any others with the negative Karma, and if this is going to get me more negative bring it on I really dont care. I just thought someone in charge may want to get an opinion from a new member, I am sure it started with good intentions but I think someone may have underestimated the maturity level on this forum and human nature in general...
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: Hippanda on December 30, 2012, 02:18:57 PM
Why worry what others think?

I agree with what GDG said.  Small stuff.

And take comfort from the quote: "If you aren't controversial, you haven't done anything substantial"
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: geoxxx on December 30, 2012, 02:28:12 PM
You are both absolutely right.
I'm new here and I couldn't understand why I was getting negative karma
But who cares...
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: silverstar1 on December 30, 2012, 03:32:49 PM
OOps yep there goes my karma down by 1 again, I must have offended someone... :thumbdown:
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: eurokrem on April 19, 2013, 04:46:25 PM
geoxxx becomes the latest victim of "unfair" practice of our karma system.  He only has 17 posts so far, and anyone can quickly scan them to notice he didn't post anything derogatory or inappropriate.  Yet, he has -2 karma !!  Can anyone explain to me, what exactly did he do to earn those "smites"?  And who left the "smite"?  Is this how we treat newcomers?    N26


I feel mistreated too, i have only 12 Posts and already -2 Karma, that's not fair,

 please snowball,
 change the Rules about Karma, Members should not be able to give Karma to new Members before a new Member himself not able is to give Karma Points,
 what have i done wrong to deserve a -2 Karma, this is humiliating.
I cant give no positive nor negative Karma but others could smite me only for being Newcomer.

You wrote above:

We are a friendly community.

I don't feel a friendly Atmosphere here for new Members.

 :crying:
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: snowball on April 19, 2013, 05:38:23 PM
Hi eurokrem

Thanks for the post.  +1 from me for bringing up this karma topic again.   :001_tongue:

You got smited not because you are a newcomer or someone hates you, but most likely someone disagreed with your opinions.  This is normal.  As the admin of this forum, I also got a couple of smites.  I really don't think you should worry too much about your karma.     :001_smile:


best,


snowball
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: GDG's on April 19, 2013, 07:05:19 PM
Eurokrem,

Welcome to the forum!

+1
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: eurokrem on April 20, 2013, 03:08:46 AM
@snowball
@goldendragongirls

lucky me my English is not so god, otherwise i would write much more and that would make my Karma much more negative  N27

thanks for making my Karma Point positive again  :thumbup:

as soon i have option to give you Karma points i am going to give both of you a Karma Points for your nice Gesture  N66

now i feel much better
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: pandamonium on April 20, 2013, 09:43:37 AM
Karma points do not mean much but your honest opinion means alot.  Debates and disagreements are all part of the learning process so post your thoughtful opinions........
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: eurokrem on April 20, 2013, 10:41:08 AM
@pandamonium

i don't have fear of debate ( despite my bad English ) but i didn't know that someone disagrees with my opinion, a direct opinion exchange did not happen,
 a sneaking coward give a bad Karma to me without any open Debate.

But you are right, that don't mean a lot, cowards shall remain in the shadow, here are a lot more fine and honest Gentleman around and that's what matters.

Thank you for nice Words.

 N25

 
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: Chronicler on December 03, 2013, 12:42:15 AM
Hi folks, I'm still relatively new to this forum, yet I've already received a negative Karma.

As far as I know, I haven't posted anything that could be perceived as offensive to anyone.

Could anyone share with me why I have a -1 Karma rating? Thanks.
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: Chronicler on December 03, 2013, 12:53:21 AM
Many thanks for the positive rating!  N39
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: KeepOnTrying! on June 13, 2015, 09:14:59 PM
Hi Everyone,
I did not initially pay much attention to the Karma figure under my handle but I have noticed that it went from 2 to 1 and now zero! Although there was a time I naively got myself in the middle of what seemed to be a long running dispute, I now mind my business and contribute posts from a well thought and personal perspective. I have also apologized to those I may have wronged.

Some have downplayed the karma score system but I don't feel okay with it if it means I cannot determine what I wrote that merited a downgrade. If it is a system designed to help posters improve then there has to be an objective assessment and verifiable rating system that is not blinded to the poster.

This may have the effect of making forum members reticent about posting for fear of being cut down with negative scores. Please review my recent posts and help me see how they led to withdrawal of my karma scores. Thanks.
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: pandamonium on June 14, 2015, 08:04:22 AM
Don't take it personal Keep On Trying.   You post many postive comments, no worries - just keep on trying!.......
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: KeepOnTrying! on June 14, 2015, 10:43:52 AM
Don't take it personal Keep On Trying.   You post many postive comments, no worries - just keep on trying!.......
Thanks pandamonium!
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: allgeekspcstore on February 19, 2016, 11:42:14 PM
Quote
Now the more I think about it, the more I feel it is useless.
Yes can someone please help remove my -3 karma it is preventing me from posting my listings in the buy / sell / trade. What did I do ? I don't get the karma. Thank you.
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: dynamike51 on February 20, 2016, 09:19:40 AM
Yes can someone please help remove my -3 karma it is preventing me from posting my listings in the buy / sell / trade. What did I do ? I don't get the karma. Thank you.

+1
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: PandaBear on May 03, 2016, 05:04:30 AM
HI there,


I had two positive karmas  two days ago and now I have zero?  I dont understand?  I dont offend or get into heated arguments with anyone on here?  Just trying to learn and sell some coins and that leads karma getting taken away?  Im asking because since Im new seller on here its harder for me to sell coins without a little credibility like karma and its unfair. 
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: Mirkkanen on May 03, 2016, 07:43:47 AM
Try not to think about it. As long as you are above 0, you're OK. The numbers don't mean much to most of us here, except to function as an indicator of members who disseminate the most useful info.
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: Panda Halves on May 03, 2016, 01:02:07 PM
+1 to everyone on this thread.
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: dynamike51 on May 03, 2016, 01:10:32 PM
+1 to everyone on this thread.

To you as well, PH.  N40.  :thumbup:  It's sad to see some people here abuse the karma system as a tool to avenge personal vendetta.
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: KeepOnTrying! on June 15, 2016, 10:49:21 AM
Dare I ask?  N2

Who is smiting "KDP" and why?  :confused1:

Karma dropped from 170 to 168; now it is 167.  :blink:

What gives!  N20
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: dynamike51 on June 15, 2016, 11:09:38 AM
Some member actually keeps a close eye on OTHER member's karma count. Isn't that strange?    :confused1:   That ought to tell you something.  N14
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: KeepOnTrying! on June 15, 2016, 02:39:53 PM
Some member actually keeps a close eye on OTHER member's karma count. Isn't that strange?    :confused1:   That ought to tell you something.  N14

When you smite me eight times and your friend gives me another six all within a year you begin to notice such phenomena!
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: dynamike51 on June 15, 2016, 04:00:09 PM
LOL ...做賊心虛.  I don't have time to lower myself. I stated earlier in a thread that someone constantly smite me, and you just implicated yourself.
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: Mirkkanen on June 15, 2016, 04:13:41 PM
Let it go. Nobody even cares about Karma! If there were no Karma points on the Forum as of tomorrow, would anything really change? Then why do you allow yourself to get frustrated about it?
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: Grip on June 15, 2016, 08:31:37 PM
What exactly is Karma, how do you know if it's true/accurate? Seems totally subjective and a waste of time and effort. If someone offends you, just ignore them...  
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: jc888888888 on June 15, 2016, 08:45:08 PM
Grip thats what I,m thinking:)
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: NBM on June 17, 2016, 06:53:00 AM
KDP?
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: Herrmo93 on September 08, 2016, 03:37:38 PM
I have got one Karma . what does it mean?
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: Womanofvalor on February 22, 2018, 07:29:23 PM
How to raise my karma points?
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: SANDAC on February 22, 2018, 07:36:09 PM
 NOT by posting a flurry of messages so to reach 50 posts so you can sell coins!  >:(  You are likely to lose Karma this way.
Title: Re: Badges and Karma
Post by: dynamike51 on February 22, 2018, 08:18:57 PM
NOT by posting a flurry of messages so to reach 50 posts so you can sell coins!  >:(  You are likely to lose Karma this way.


Womanofvalor is a member of 6+ years.  I'm sure she'd had plenty of chances if she just wanted to get to 50+ posts to sell. 

I think she's genuinely wanting to know .....