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Features => Fake Chinese Coins => Topic started by: pandamonium on July 08, 2018, 09:36:00 PM

Title: Empire graded silver fakes? List them...
Post by: pandamonium on July 08, 2018, 09:36:00 PM
I have heard often that the Empire silvers have many graded fakes.     Probably true the graders made mistakes at first but by now they should be able to ID the fakes.        Why don't we have a list of graded fake Empire silvers?  (others?)    Including grading numbers or photos?   That was done for fake silver pagodas and others.       Could we start a list and have comparable photos?.....
Title: Re: Empire graded silver fakes? List them...
Post by: pandamonium on August 06, 2018, 10:52:23 PM
Thanks to Fwang the last digit or 1 is altered and graded 1981 5 Fen.     Take a look and see what you think....
Title: Re: Empire graded silver fakes? List them...
Post by: pandamonium on August 06, 2018, 11:57:18 PM
M Corley of NGC got back to me quick.    He said it was flagged and wanted to contact seller so information was exchanged....
Title: Re: Empire graded silver fakes? List them...
Post by: poconopenn on August 07, 2018, 12:40:46 AM
Here is a better picture. 1981 1 Fen also is a fake, altered 1, by the same counterfeiter. Both coins were misgraded by NGC in the same submission.
Title: Re: Empire graded silver fakes? List them...
Post by: fwang2450 on August 07, 2018, 12:48:34 AM
Whoever altered this coin most likely took a 1984 5 fen and worked on the last digit 4. But the 1984 5 fen was minted by Shanghai Mint, while the 1981 5 fen was minted by Shenyang Mint. They have different characteristics. NGC should have known better.
Title: Re: Empire graded silver fakes? List them...
Post by: poconopenn on August 07, 2018, 12:53:10 AM
Here are the pictures of the genuine BU and proof 1981 1 and 5 Fen. 
Title: Re: Empire graded silver fakes? List them...
Post by: pandamonium on August 07, 2018, 07:29:08 AM
You both have eagle eyes.    When i look at them i am blind as a bat.     Now i know what to look for...