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Title: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: GoldenLord on June 14, 2017, 06:20:23 PM
NGC have a new Variety for the 1 Oz Silver Panda Proof 1990.

They have now a Small and Large P Panda.
https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/5987/Modern-Chinese-Varieties-1990-Proof-Silver-10Y-Panda/

Ive already check ebay and Dealers sites.

It looks like the Small P is very seldom.

Ive found 40 Large P and 2 Small P = 20:1

Good Hunt  ;)

Here is one from the two:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-P-PCGS-PR69DCAM-10YN-China-Silver-Panda-ONLY-20K-MINTED-ULTRA-RARE-GEM-/222527215063?hash=item33cfa7d5d7:g:HBgAAOSwOgdYq5gf

Unsold, pherhaps, someone have the luck to get it  N31
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: GoldenLord on June 15, 2017, 06:16:06 PM
Checked another 12 coins, all still Large P.
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: baron88 on June 20, 2017, 11:02:08 AM
Found one on eBay listed by wucoinbanknote. Looks like a small P. Thanks for the information.
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: 1668Chris on June 20, 2017, 03:26:56 PM
Found one on eBay listed by wucoinbanknote. Looks like a small P. Thanks for the information.

can you share the link...I checked every one on ebay and no small P's.
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: GoldenLord on June 20, 2017, 05:14:51 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/China-1990-Panda-P-10-Yuan-1oz-Silver-Coin-Proof-/381791969300?hash=item58e4932014:m:mmfMPDHBBvexl8aGqSvGzfA
Large P

Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: GoldenLord on June 20, 2017, 05:17:46 PM
Naomi have an auction that Looks Small P - but he have three pieces and i think the Picture is just an example

http://www.ebay.com/itm/china-1990-with-p-proof-panda-silver-coin-/182624992093?hash=item2a854c3b5d:g:1dgAAOSwxH1UIwBg
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: Clark Smith on June 21, 2017, 06:14:16 PM
I found one small P.     It was 1 out of about 30 pcs !
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: Clark Smith on June 24, 2017, 02:51:36 AM
Any of the "small P" up for sale yet ?
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: GoldenLord on June 26, 2017, 04:25:59 AM
No, Looks like there are seldom like the QDR-002

This is my one, that i buyed :)
http://www.ebay.de/itm/10-YUAN-CHINA-1990-PROOF-PANDA-ORIGINALLY-DOUBLE-SEALED-BOX-COA/262824645115?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: 1668Chris on June 26, 2017, 01:41:13 PM
No, Looks like there are seldom like the QDR-002

This is my one, that i buyed :)
http://www.ebay.de/itm/10-YUAN-CHINA-1990-PROOF-PANDA-ORIGINALLY-DOUBLE-SEALED-BOX-COA/262824645115?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

I don't think this is one.  Compare yours to the
 NGC photo.  The NGC photo indicates there is some rotation in the small p that is not in yours. 
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: GoldenLord on June 26, 2017, 05:20:59 PM
Yes ive see it, but its too not a Large P  N20

The Space in the P is smaller, the place to the circle above is smaller and the circle is fat.

I will make some photos and send it to NGC. Im sure it will be more a Small than a Large P.
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: GoldenLord on June 26, 2017, 05:30:54 PM
Here are differences from NGC Large P (left) and that coin i have - think Small P (right)



Red Line: The field of P is large and small

Yellow Line: Large P have more spaces to the circle

Green Line: The circle is fat (Small P)
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: 1668Chris on June 26, 2017, 08:56:43 PM
Lighting plays tricks on circle thickness.  I still believe yours is not a small P.  NGC will confirm if there is any doubt
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: SANDAC on June 26, 2017, 09:43:04 PM
Take a look at the attached animated GIF.  It is not about the thickness of the circle.  It is the tilting of "P" and the distance of the circle from "Ag" text. 
Rotate the coin so the "1" of "10 Yuan" is vertical.  The small P is closer to the "Ag" text and tilting backward, while the large P is further from the "Ag" text and tilting forward.

If NGC starts to pay attention to the rotation & spacing of characters, there are plenty varieties out there yet to be recognized.
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: GoldenLord on September 08, 2017, 02:35:15 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/263137307399?orig_cvip=true&rmvSB=true

Sold 3888$ - just one graded currently.

Looks like the Panda is very seldom and the best variety currently.
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: 1668Chris on September 08, 2017, 06:34:26 PM
 N31
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: Clark Smith on September 09, 2017, 02:18:13 PM
The one on ebay sold at $1750  (not $3888)
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: 1668Chris on September 09, 2017, 05:02:56 PM
 still  :thumbup:
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: dennisma77 on October 05, 2017, 10:24:35 PM
How about this one?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-China-S10Y-panda-1oz-silver-coin-proof-NGC-PF69-ultra-cameo-/272875969530?hash=item3f88acdbfa:g:WPcAAOSw1BlZVGW8
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: dennisma77 on October 05, 2017, 10:30:06 PM
this is the picture from NGC
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: Clark Smith on October 05, 2017, 10:35:56 PM
That is not a small P.      Maybe you can return it ?
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: jc888888888 on October 10, 2017, 11:26:38 AM
Let me throw mine out there for confirmation ...looks like large P to me ??  NGC cert 3794130-011  thanks
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: 1668Chris on October 10, 2017, 11:47:18 AM
 Large
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: jc888888888 on October 10, 2017, 12:45:27 PM
ty
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: GoldenLord on October 14, 2017, 04:42:37 AM
Lighting plays tricks on circle thickness.  I still believe yours is not a small P.  NGC will confirm if there is any doubt

Panda is back - the third graded Small P now.
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: pandamonium on October 14, 2017, 09:36:56 AM
SANDAC, can you or others post photos of both small P and regular?    A comparison would make it easier to see the difference...
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: SANDAC on October 14, 2017, 09:55:54 AM
I posted an animated GIF overlay showing the large vs small P in the first page of this discussion thread.  Just click on the image, wait a few seconds for the image to download and you'll see the large and small P pictures alternating every 2 seconds.  The easiest way to identify is the rotation of the "P": the small P tilts back while the large P tilts forward.
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: pandamonium on October 15, 2017, 08:31:25 AM
Found it and thanks.   The difference is almost too tiny to see....
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: poconopenn on October 18, 2017, 08:16:59 PM
Here is another small P raw coin. The eBay auction ended with a final value of $799.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-China-1-Oz-Silver-PANDA-World-Coin-Choice-PROOF-Original-Capsule-/202077733226?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=ZxHg3hPvzHBAEkyFI7%252By0A2X6As%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: Clark Smith on October 18, 2017, 08:23:37 PM
The $799 coin may have small white spot issues preventing it from grading 69.
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: wg on November 13, 2017, 10:12:49 AM
US $225,00

https://www.ebay.de/itm/CHINA-1990-P-1-OZ-SILVER-PANDA-10-YUAN-PROOF-COIN-NGC-PF-69-ULTRA-CAMEO-/292313244336?hash=item440f3a22b0%3Ag%3AH48AAOSwHUhZ-LQH&nma=true&si=KTWYbF6RLipk0jRLJOIWhb9q1Vk%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: Agpanda on November 13, 2017, 11:03:36 AM
seems like it already gone :(
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: GoldenLord on November 19, 2017, 04:09:45 PM
https://coins.ha.com/itm/china/world-coins/china-people-s-republic-silver-panda-proof-10-yuan-date-run-1989-1996-total-8-coins-/a/3058-37391.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

There is too a Small P for the 7 December '17
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: GoldenLord on November 22, 2017, 04:31:59 AM
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Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: GoldenLord on November 23, 2017, 11:49:33 AM
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/57913275_1990-panda-premier-tri-metallic-coin-set

here is another Small P Panda (in a Set with Gold and Platinum) - Auction ended 11-25-17
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: alex1204 on December 23, 2017, 07:50:49 AM
Hello guys,

do this coin here is the small "P" variation ?

Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: wg on December 23, 2017, 08:19:02 AM
yes, imo it's a "small p"
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: alex1204 on December 23, 2017, 08:22:11 AM
yes, imo it's a "small p"

Thank you very much ! I´m very happy to hear it. I will crack it out of the PCGS Slab and Submit it to NCS and NGC.

 N29

What can the other members say about it before i crack this coin out of his PCGS Slab ?  :001_rolleyes:
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: SANDAC on December 23, 2017, 10:15:39 AM
wg is right, it is small P.  Very nice find!
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: pandamonium on December 23, 2017, 06:32:10 PM
Remember when the 95 MS69 Micro date silver panda was priced about $4,000?      One on ebay for under $600.     Varieties are hot when new but they could cool down in time......
Title: Re: New NGC Panda Variety - SMALL P - 1990 Silver Panda
Post by: wg on January 02, 2018, 01:04:50 PM
alex

N66

https://www.ebay.com/itm/China-1990-Panda-PROOF-1oz-Silver-Coin-PCGS-69-/272994098137?hash=item3f8fb75bd9%3Ag%3AkcsAAOSwIGJaPjP5&nma=true&si=q5Xkr8rTYVoxOP2kc%252BWjmrUY7eA%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Winning bid:
US $1,136.00

https://www.ebay.com/itm/China-1990-Proof-Silver-Panda-10-Yuan-P-Designation-No-Reserve-/132344114062?hash=item1ed052eb8e%3Ag%3AwK4AAOSw3z5ZzQZv&nma=true&si=q5Xkr8rTYVoxOP2kc%252BWjmrUY7eA%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557