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Title: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on November 10, 2016, 04:41:44 AM
境外論壇首發
敬告機制幣同好.撿漏當撿如此漏 N42
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: coffeyce on November 17, 2016, 11:24:31 PM
looks nice
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: poconopenn on November 18, 2016, 12:57:39 AM
looks nice

Yes, looks nice, but may not be genuine, based on the surface wear pattern.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on November 18, 2016, 01:53:20 AM
Yes, looks nice, but may not be genuine, based on the surface wear pattern.

To  be   sure  .  It  is  a   very   rare    and   old  coin.
If   you  can  find   the  same  one .
I  congratulate  you  on  you  are  a  lucky  dog.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on November 18, 2016, 04:41:20 AM
 N34
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: poconopenn on November 19, 2016, 05:38:21 PM
For circulated coin in VF/+ condition, the edge of Chinese character in the marked area ought to be flat and smooth, not as shown in the picture. There are other areas similar to the marked area in this coin, in addition to the pimpled rim.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on November 19, 2016, 08:23:21 PM
thank   you

enlarge  60X
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: poconopenn on November 19, 2016, 10:15:55 PM
Please enlarge the attached picture.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on November 20, 2016, 07:40:08 AM
 N31
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: SANDAC on November 20, 2016, 09:40:41 PM
My Y-31 has been cleaned, so whatever ridges that may have been there are gone.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: dragondollar on November 30, 2016, 08:16:02 AM
Not rare, not old, not genuine.

No need to pore over the surfaces, there is many problems even with the denticles and the legends. The toning is also rather low quality.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on November 30, 2016, 05:41:20 PM
Not rare, not old, not genuine.

No need to pore over the surfaces, there is many problems even with the denticles and the legends. The toning is also rather low quality.
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假幣以假仿假.以致徒孫眾多.儼然已成正宗
既不稀罕..何妨找出幾枚您認為與此幣相同特徵的錢幣..貼上來瞧瞧

Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on November 30, 2016, 07:41:57 PM
不要以為眼下常看到的就是真
林杯的老錢幣會告訴你真相 N34
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: SANDAC on December 01, 2016, 09:30:22 AM
My only Y-322 was slabbed by PCGS as genuine, but not gradable.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: dobedo on December 01, 2016, 10:45:17 AM
"不要以為眼下常看到的就是真" =>
不要以為眼下不常看到的就是不真 :)
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on December 01, 2016, 07:16:01 PM
敬告錢幣鑑定公司..別老是以拍賣成交幣當作鑑定標準幣.
要有真本事以機制特徵作認定..哉冇? N45
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on December 21, 2016, 03:20:29 AM
路邊野花不要採.入盒烏龍不要買 N16
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on January 13, 2017, 07:33:14 PM
曾經滄海難為水.除卻巫山不是雲 N16
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on January 16, 2017, 11:22:00 PM
刻刀痕是機制特徵的直接證據

林杯說........撿漏當撿如此漏 N34
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on January 18, 2017, 06:47:40 PM
容我空間.給你真相. N40
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on January 19, 2017, 06:20:44 PM
湖北省造光緒元寶背本省版屬湖北銀元局初鑄.
與之後湖北省造光緒元寶標準版圖文皆有差異.
兩者並非只有本省兩字有無的差異而已. N34
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on February 03, 2017, 08:02:16 PM
文字筆劃..大致相同大不同

正確傳承才是收藏真諦 N34
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on February 06, 2017, 07:44:02 PM
不同版別34年北洋造七錢二分在龍爪不易磨損處設有通用暗記
林杯說...撿漏當撿如此漏 N34
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on February 09, 2017, 08:27:12 PM
1928中華民國十七年張作霖文裝大元帥紀念幣....年字暗記
60倍放大成像...經當面溝通.錢幣鑑定公司承認僅用8-10倍放大鏡觀察

曾送ACCA評鑑..該單位負責人竟稱是以樣幣非傳承有序的經驗法則判假...林杯敢說...鑑定個鳥.. N4
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on February 10, 2017, 07:40:56 AM
欣賞刻刀痕.暗記判斷

林杯說....撿漏當撿如此漏 N34
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on February 12, 2017, 06:37:56 PM
34年北洋造中英文字母都在筆劃兩端搞花樣防偽
相同英文字母也刻意不同
中文字筆觸亦極力脫離楷書字體的規範
土金版錢字金第2橫刻畫像香爐
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on February 14, 2017, 07:42:39 PM
此枚1928大元帥紀念幣林杯整整花了8個月時間才破解全幣防偽巧思及暗記佈局.突破口在國字.
俺說.有實力鑑定此幣種的錢幣鑑定公司尚未出生.

撿漏當撿如此漏 N34
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on February 17, 2017, 07:38:38 PM
1927中華民國國民政府十六年造孫中山陵墓幣

撿漏當撿如此漏 N34
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on March 03, 2017, 10:10:15 PM
七錢二分主幣.

撿漏當撿如此漏 N34
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on March 10, 2017, 08:24:29 PM
黎元洪開國紀念幣無冠開領版.據說查無此幣圖樣.

天下無難事..只怕有心人. N34
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on March 12, 2017, 10:20:56 AM
幣面缺料髒污.撥雲見日後真相如附圖

上6圖為髒污原況.燈源放大反光.反不利於立體層次觀察.抱歉 N48

高解析欣賞人像刻刀痕刻模技巧.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on March 12, 2017, 07:18:42 PM
1896年四川楷书(缶宝)光绪元宝库平七钱二分银币,又称“四川楷书”
乃最初之试制样币。另一种光绪元宝的宝字作简写“尒”,俗称“尒宝”,为后来之产行用品,有多种版式。
正反面均带湖北式样的花星,用楷书篆刻七钱二分字样,造型精美,存世量极少。
09年四川省造光绪元宝七钱二分的缶宝长六花星的市场估价为十万元。

圖片庫均查無此幣種樣幣圖樣.林杯首發貢獻兩版樣幣龍圖.

撿漏當撿如此漏 N34
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on March 13, 2017, 09:10:29 PM
1928中華民國十七年張作霖文裝大元帥紀念幣
天津造幣總廠末代人像幣的典範
看看雕模技師的功力如何?
曾送台北ACCA鑑定..被以非傳承有序的經驗法則……判假.

林杯說…..撿漏當撿如此漏 N34
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on March 17, 2017, 09:14:26 PM
廣東省造壽字雙龍七錢二
壽字左下有邊緣明確的蝕刻暗記.暗記左側龍麟有蝕刻對照暗記.
暗記右邊上有一顆星.
在燈下肉眼即可見星光閃爍.是否意喻...海角天涯一壽星. N43

寶字王右下腳是否暗示此王被扯後腿?

人工刻刀痕明確..還原造幣鋼模初始樣態

撿漏當撿如此漏. N34
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on April 10, 2017, 04:27:18 AM
1928......AUTO  DOLLAR

注意筆劃上及車身細條紋狀刻刀痕.車燈泡位置大小.七字頭形態.圖文細節

撿漏當撿如此漏 N34
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on April 10, 2017, 07:26:52 PM
研究錢幣是為正確傳承盡一份心力
林杯說..凡機制真幣必定設有防偽暗記.平淡無奇的文字.圖樣.絕對真不了….高手看字就能識真假.
流通幣需多組幣模因應造幣數量需求.相同幣種不同模組即為不同版.不同版幣模會設有共同暗記.這需要多找幾枚真幣仔細比對才會發現..造假者唯恐淪為同模傷.會將暗記全數抹平.製造出完美無缺的假象.投其所好.
眼力就是在持續不斷的比對中練就的.不下苦工夫.就沒有機會品嘗先知先覺者的寂寞. N28
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: poconopenn on April 10, 2017, 10:05:57 PM
研究錢幣是為正確傳承盡一份心力
林杯說..凡機制真幣必定設有防偽暗記.平淡無奇的文字.圖樣.絕對真不了….高手看字就能識真假.
流通幣需多組幣模因應造幣數量需求.相同幣種不同模組即為不同版.不同版幣模會設有共同暗記.這需要多找幾枚真幣仔細比對才會發現..造假者唯恐淪為同模傷.會將暗記全數抹平.製造出完美無缺的假象.投其所好.
眼力就是在持續不斷的比對中練就的.不下苦工夫.就沒有機會品嘗先知先覺者的寂寞. N28


The PCGS certified coins posted by you are fake coins in fake PCGS holders. Just want to make sure that members of CCF understand that these two coins are not certified by PCGS.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: poconopenn on April 11, 2017, 02:30:48 PM
IMO, 4 coins (A, B, C and D) posted by you may not be genuine. The identical scratches, as outlined in the pictures are not hidden marks as you suggested. They are too deep to be considered as Mint marks. Those coins are reproduction from the die copied from a circulated genuine coin.
   
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on April 11, 2017, 07:38:37 PM
IMO, 4 coins (A, B, C and D) posted by you may not be genuine. The identical scratches, as outlined in the pictures are not hidden marks as you suggested. They are too deep to be considered as Mint marks. Those coins are reproduction from the die copied from a circulated genuine coin.
   

您好..4圖紅圈標示處為人工刻刀痕.幣模以雕刻鑿陰刻.幣面呈現的是不規則細條紋狀的鋪陳.堆砌.糾結.把圖放大.底板也能發現不規則細條紋狀陽刻.刻刀痕就是機制特徵的直接證據.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on April 11, 2017, 08:01:17 PM
 N28
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: poconopenn on April 11, 2017, 10:30:15 PM
I understand that 刻刀痕就是機制特徵的直接證據. However, it can be reproduced by counterfeiter. When four different coins have identical “deep” scratched lines as shown in the pictures, IMO, those coins are highly questionable and most likely are not genuine.

There are identical pimple in these four coins too.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: poconopenn on April 11, 2017, 11:13:09 PM
Here are pictures of NGC MS64 1903 Fengtein silver dragon dollar. The third picture is PCGS XF coin.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on April 12, 2017, 02:12:14 AM
Here are pictures of NGC MS64 1903 Fengtein silver dragon dollar. The third picture is PCGS XF coin.
        您好...在把您的貼圖放大後
1.   NGC第一圖文字筆劃邊緣是用黑色顏料描邊做舊.癸字第二橫右端分叉是敗筆.珠圈大小形態一致是電腦排版製作.文字筆劃毫無立體層次可言
2.   NGC第二圖龍圖外圈英文字母上環圈為一眼假的假模裂.
3.   PCGS第3圖文字筆劃上及底板上遍佈砂眼.黑色顏料色澤一致.係人為刻意做舊.庫字下橫端左側堆銀.下直端左側框邊..寶字貝內多一橫..此特徵.應屬鑄造孤品.

Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: poconopenn on April 12, 2017, 12:47:01 PM
My point in two previous postings is trying to show the problematic areas of those four coins which IMO, they are not genuine, and are reproduction from  a die copied from a genuine circulated coin.

Here are additional two areas which I was not mentioned previously in this small section of the coin. Usually, I will not give away so many information, since counterfeiters also visit this forum to gain the knowledge and therefore to improve their skill in making fake coin.

The shape and size of those dots in the marked area are identical for these four coins. They were connected at the same spot. This can not be happened, when the coins were wore in different degree.

刻刀痕 (knife notch/knife mark) can be copied from circulated coin by skillful counterfeiters and can not be considered as the only evidence of a genuine coin.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on April 12, 2017, 07:25:58 PM
您好..在您標示的4圖當中..各部分細節是大致相同大不同.就是說紅線標示的區塊刻痕各不相同.只是有不同程度的磨損.
流通幣需多組模就是讓同一個人雕刻同一幣種幣模也不會完全相同.您認為這4枚是同模假幣...我卻認為這4枚並非同模..真正同模幣各部位細節將完全相同.
底下放兩枚同模傷假幣供參..NGC假幣入盒前三圖這枚為美國華人所有..末2圖為中國大陸泉友民风所有...請您見識同模假幣的仿製功力
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on April 12, 2017, 07:33:54 PM
見識真幣刻刀痕...您說...好仿不好仿? N28
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: poconopenn on April 12, 2017, 11:48:59 PM
您好..在您標示的4圖當中..各部分細節是大致相同大不同.就是說紅線標示的區塊刻痕各不相同.只是有不同程度的磨損.
流通幣需多組模就是讓同一個人雕刻同一幣種幣模也不會完全相同.您認為這4枚是同模假幣...我卻認為這4枚並非同模..真正同模幣各部位細節將完全相同.
底下放兩枚同模傷假幣供參..NGC假幣入盒前三圖這枚為美國華人所有..末2圖為中國大陸泉友民风所有...請您見識同模假幣的仿製功力


Yes, these two NGC certified coins are counterfeit and NGC had made mistake. I am surprised that counterfeiter can make such high quality fake, but stupid enough to make antique surface in the same area.

However, these two fake coins were not polished as bad as 4 coins mentioned before. I do not have time to show you additional identical pimples for those four coins tonight and will try to do it in the next two days.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: poconopenn on April 13, 2017, 12:02:59 AM
見識真幣刻刀痕...您說...好仿不好仿? N28

Yes, it can be copied with current technology.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on April 13, 2017, 07:38:37 PM
您好..機制造幣是絕對的秉持一個幣模一個樣.像蓋章一樣..任何細節的相對位置絕對一樣.就是說連此人物鼻上細微線條刻劃也會完全相同.模損等情況不計.
我個人不相信依目前技術能全盤仿製在原幣大小的錢幣上.
前面A.B.C.D四圖除非您能證明圖文的各相對位置細節完全相同.否則就非同模..
幣模雕刻工具與刻工刀法都有時代的特徵..老錢幣刻工為滿工..整個幣面圖文刻得細膩精緻.後仿刀工大而化之.在立體層次的轉折處交代不清.呈現斷崖式.
個人認為所謂的掌握機制特徵就是掌握刻鑿痕..或許錢幣鑑定公司也該朝此方向思考.

錢幣看真.看假並無對錯之分.至多只是反應眼力的高下而已..看法是否正確...等時機到了...自會明白.. N28
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on April 14, 2017, 10:44:33 PM
首發..

老錢幣除了歷史價值.文物價值.還可遇見藝術價值.

不怕被仿.只怕不懂停歇欣賞 N28
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: poconopenn on April 15, 2017, 11:00:19 PM
For those members who can not read Chinese, the discussion in this thread is related to the importance of knife marks on the detection of counterfeit coin.

Linlaujiou claims that coin with visible knife marks is always genuine, since the knife marks can not be copied. In his opinion, the four coins with identical deep scratches/marks in the same area of the device are genuine, since knife marks are clearly visible in those coins. He further claims that NGC MS64 coin posted in Reply #41 is a counterfeit, based on artificial toning, lack of 3-dimentional details in Chinese characters, incorrect style of Chinese character at 3 o’clock, die crack lines are added to the fake die and the shape and size of dots in the inner circle is too uniform to be considered as genuine, most likely is made by a computerized machine.

IMO, the knife marks can be copied, similar to the scratches lines. Clearly, those four coins were made with a die copied from a genuine/fake coin. The valuation of NGC MS64 coin was about $23,000 in 2010 HA auction.

Attached is a picture of the 1903 Fengtein silver dragon dollar found in website. IMO, this is another coin made by the same die for the four coins posted by linlaujiou. So we have quintuplet now. Additional pictures of NGC MS63 and PCGS XF details-tooled  coins are also attached to show the dots of inner circle is quite uniform in size and shape without any extra material in the space between the dots.

Just for information,

Transfer dies are most common practice used by modern counterfeiter. A genuine coin is scarified to press into die steel to make a working (production) die. In general, the genuine coin will be about XF condition, since mint state coin is too costly for counterfeiter, especially for rare one. The working die so produced will have all defects such as scratch marks generated during the circulation of the original copied coin. The deep scratches will create lumps on the die surface, so the same scratches in the produced coin. Sometimes, the counterfeiter will try to remove those lumps by chipping or polishing the die surface. However, if the counterfeiter is not skillful enough to fix the die properly and remove too much die surface, the resulting coin will show small pimples or short raised lines at those areas. In order to remove/mask the pimples, raised lines and scratch marks from coin surface, the reproduced coin will be polished by the counterfeiter. The counterfeiter also will add additional marks to the surface to avoid the detection. The collectors shall always be very careful to study highly polished coin before buy.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on April 16, 2017, 09:31:19 PM
不要以為評級入盒就是真..個人看此兩枚NGC評級幣只是普通耗子藥..一眼假..描眼影技術有待磨練 N4 N4
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: poconopenn on April 16, 2017, 11:09:29 PM
不要以為評級入盒就是真..個人看此兩枚NGC評級幣只是普通耗子藥..一眼假..描眼影技術有待磨練 N4 N4

Please post picture of a genuine 1903 Fengtein silver dragon dollar, since you believe that all graded coins by NGC and PCGS are fake.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on April 17, 2017, 04:00:31 AM
 1.何謂包漿漸層?....懂嗎?
2.只要適當表達個人對錢幣的看法即可.其他....淡然處之..才是人生最美的姿態.
3.Take  it   easy  N28
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: poconopenn on April 17, 2017, 12:06:30 PM
1.何謂包漿漸層?....懂嗎?
2.只要適當表達個人對錢幣的看法即可.其他....淡然處之..才是人生最美的姿態.
3.Take  it   easy  N28

This is a friendly forum to share information related to Chinese coins. Please post the pictures of your four "genuine" 1903 Fengtein silver dragon dollars, both obverse and reverse. This will allow us to compare your coins with NGC and PCGS certified coins which you claimed to be fake.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: poconopenn on April 17, 2017, 12:34:07 PM
Here are high resolution pictures of PCGS MS64 1903 Fengtein silver dragon dollar Y-92 and Y-92.1(Manchu characters in center reversed).
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on April 21, 2017, 09:30:22 PM
1.   謝謝再次提供PCGS64假幣入盒笑話兩則 N48 N48
2.   刀痕.鑿痕是構成幣面圖樣.文字.底版的一磚一瓦.
3.   包漿漸層的色澤差異會小至以單一鑿痕為單位.直接描線是阿呆.
4.   刀痕.鑿痕該怎麼看..會嗎?
5.     笑話6則打賞6杯咖啡N28 N28 N28 N28 N28 N28
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: poconopenn on April 23, 2017, 07:04:07 PM
Thanks for such nice pictures of fake coins and provide excellent educational material for learning to spot the fake coin. Instead of posting the pictures of quadruplets of 1903 fake Fengtein Y92.1 Manchu characters in center reversed) which I had mentioned to be fake, you decided to post Y92, since I did not mention them to be fake when you posted the partial pictures in Reply #35.  In fact, I can tell you now that two coins of Y92 are fake and twin as shown in the attached pictures. It was clear shown in the partial pictures posted in Reply #35 and now being confirmed by your completed pictures of both sides posted in Reply #56.
 
For most collectors, the chance of acquiring quadruplets and twin fake coins is very limited. I am just wondering if you are associated to counterfeit factory in China/Taiwan and trying to promote those fake coins at this forum.   
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: Little Finger on April 24, 2017, 12:12:16 AM
Seems like the same scratches on both FengTien coins, the fakes are so good that you can only look at the fake wear to determine authenticity....
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: Bearcat on April 24, 2017, 12:45:24 PM
Thanks Poconopenn for your intelligent and direct comments... especially the point about possible ties to counterfeiters. Unfortunately clear comments about the "tells" of counterfeit coins educate the good guys, but also enable the bad guys to make fakes that are increasingly more difficult to detect.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: PandaCollector on April 24, 2017, 04:50:53 PM
Thanks Poconopenn for your intelligent and direct comments... especially the point about possible ties to counterfeiters. Unfortunately clear comments about the "tells" of counterfeit coins educate the good guys, but also enable the bad guys to make fakes that are increasingly more difficult to detect.

"For most collectors, the chance of acquiring quadruplets and twin fake coins is very limited. I am just wondering if you are associated to counterfeit factory in China/Taiwan and trying to promote those fake coins at this forum."

+1 to both Poconopenn and Bearcat. This is the reason I stopped updating the counterfeits section on pandacollector.com. It is dismaying to see new batches of counterfeits that address any publicly known flaws in previous fakes.

Best wishes,
Peter Anthony
China Pricepedia
www.pandacollector.com
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: poconopenn on April 24, 2017, 05:37:44 PM
Just want to show the above post by pandacollector is already shown up at Baidu search inside China.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on May 13, 2017, 04:39:21 AM
1.   我從事醫療服務業.只是業餘研究機制幣的愛好者.與任何造假份子無關.
2.   我是獨行俠.手上錢幣全都是自己花錢買來研究的.跟您一樣.沒有造假的本事.
3.   最近忙其他事情.沒進論壇.畢竟錢幣不是生活的全部
4.   先前已經貼圖讓你見識同模傷假幣的相似程度.
5.   圖中您標示紅圈內直線是屬陽刻凸起線條.與幣面刮傷呈現蝕刻不同.在造幣鋼模上刻劃才能呈現如此情況.再者.該等直線條實際粗細的程度.相信您沒工具也沒本事刻劃出來.
6.   兩枚錢幣刀痕鑿痕完全不同.並非同模.錢幣看真看假.總要說出假的理由及製造工藝.這兩枚錢幣的刀痕鑿痕是由何種工藝製造?您不妨說說.
7.   儲存圖片.放大即可觀察文字筆劃上刀痕鑿痕的差異.
8.   林杯說..底板上的陽刻線條也是寶奉版共同暗記.並非同模傷.
9.   把林杯當成造假的同路人.那是從門底縫裏看人.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on May 13, 2017, 06:49:02 AM
1.   同樣的底板陽刻暗記在寶奉版前輩奉天癸卯一兩也可見到.
2.   所謂暗記就是人為刻意的瑕疵.全幣綜觀無異樣.微觀有玄機.寶奉版以直線型態陽刻.就是告訴你這是人為刻意為之.放大看.兩寶奉直線陽刻線條刻法也不同
3.   奉天癸卯一兩的兩字陽刻暗記.綜觀會以為只是刮傷露銀.但以高解析呈相.就呈現該陽刻是有形立體樣態.全然有別於一般的鑄造堆銀.
4.   能參透造幣設計者的防偽巧思及暗記佈局是神交古人的最大成就感.設計暗記本身的虛虛實實.就是防偽的精神所在.
5.   造假者分不清固有暗記還是後天損傷.造假時會刻意全數抹滅呈現完美樣態.投你所好.
6.   你3人要記得掛號繳交學費.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: poconopenn on May 13, 2017, 06:35:58 PM
Clearly, you will not quit to promote your fake coins. You had been identified as fake coin seller as early as 2013 inside China. The first coin posted in this thread was identified as fake by two other members of this forum besides myself.
 
Here is example of link related to the comments about you inside China.

http://club.icoin.cn/bbs/read.aspx?id=386644&p=0

Attached are screenshots of the comment mentioned in the above link, as well as google and baidu translations of the said comment. Unfortunately, the translations from both companies are very poor, since the comment contained many Chinese slangs. For example “初入泉坛的藏友” (new collectors of the forum) is being translated as “altar of the altar Tibetan friends” and “spring altar Tibet” by google and baidu respectively.

In summary, the poster suggested that you always claimed graded coins and high quality coins sold by the reputable auction houses to be fake and your low quality and wore coins, most likely bought from street venders, as genuine. By postings and discussing with other collectors in the forum about your research, your tried to seduce new collectors of the forum to buy those fake coins.
 
By the way, the two coins, which you claimed to have a valuation of RMB 100,000/each, posted in Reply #31 are also fake twin. By posting twin, IMO, you were trying subtly to attract members of this forum to buy your extra.   
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: Bearcat on May 14, 2017, 09:42:16 PM
Great work poconopenn! Nice detective work on two continents to unmask the culprit and foil his scheme. Unfortunately, for every bad guy we catch, seems like 100 spring up. We must all be vigilant...
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: Anthony H on May 14, 2017, 10:51:06 PM
WOW! I AM AMAZED BY YOUR DETECTIVE WORK! There are so many counterfeiters and forgers today faking all these silver dollars. Kiangnan, Hupeh, etc. Thank you! We must be vigilant indeed!  N31 N31 N31 N31 :thumbup:
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on May 15, 2017, 05:18:30 AM
.關於你鏈結的那枚NGC中華民國十六年造孫中山陵墓幣.我一直認為是枚假幣.在錢幣論壇裏有不同的看法是常有的事.錢幣認真.靠見識.錢幣認假.靠勇氣.真假之間糾葛的是利益與顏面.因此林杯說.錢幣易懂.人心難測..更何況.那些批評我的人.對錢幣的看法就正確了嗎?
2.回歸主題.就幣論幣.那兩枚寶奉版.你不敢承認誤判成同模傷.說成是假幣.何苦要施展墨魚戰術.模糊焦點.勇敢面對吧.承認錯誤不可恥.可恥的是死不認錯.高鼻子洋人好像不是這個樣.
3.任何論壇都有一夥造假護假售假的幫眾.在相互掩護.打擊不同看法的人.這種情況.司空見慣.是你少見多怪.還是做賊喊捉賊.林杯淡然處之.
4.你鏈結那枚十六年造孫中山陵墓幣我看是假幣始終如一.你敢提出來.想必你是看真的了.附圖標記紅線處.你不妨說說你的看法.
5.你實在太小瞧我了.如果我要淪落到靠賣錢幣謀生.我晚景堪憐了.請你不要以小人之心度君子之腹.切記.
6.接受沒有實力的褒獎.往往註定是悲劇的開始.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on May 15, 2017, 06:50:48 AM
1.   林杯來此論壇目的是與機制幣同好分享對機制幣真假判斷的看法.爾後對非研討錢幣的人身攻擊.一概不予回應.
2.   個人收藏錢幣是為自身陪葬品預做準備.只買不賣.但是.歡迎你來陪葬.
3.   林杯陸續接收中國舊社會錢幣藏家.幣商後代悉數藏品已達7家.今後將繼續買進.以豐富陪葬品.
4.   欽此..公告週知 N28
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: pandamonium on May 15, 2017, 08:45:43 AM
Do the Empire small silver 50 C, 20 C, 10 C & 5 C have tons of fakes too?........ I was told there are small silver fakes but they have not been exposed like the silver dollars have........
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: poconopenn on May 15, 2017, 05:31:31 PM
Attached book has clear pictures and description of wear patterns for all US circulated coins. By study this book and examine the wear patterns of graded Imperial and Republic coins found at websites, the collectors can learn the technique to spot the counterfeit coins without even checking the design of the coins. The fake coins usually have many surface defects during the coping process and need to polish the surface of dies or coins to remove those defects, therefore, the wear pattern will be changed accordingly.

The pictures posted by linlaujiao are good examples of the incorrect wear patterns.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: fwang2450 on May 15, 2017, 07:45:40 PM
林先生,歡迎您來論壇。本論壇懂機制幣的人不多,有您加入,無論是普及還是深入討論,都是好事。不過您開的這個貼子弄到現在氣氛已經不正常。部分原因是您的風格。本壇一向彼此坦誠相待,知無不盡。poconopenn見到他認為的同模傷,提出疑問,很正常。您不必因此採用故弄玄虛的口吻。天外有天。不說別的,您那些放大鏡下拍的照片實在不敢恭維。拍不出高清大圖,如何討論刀痕這樣的細節?下面是手雕章古塔上的刀痕細節照片,供您參考。

最后還有一點疑問。您英文不太好,本壇又不擅長機制幣,您為何不去用中文專門討論機制幣的論壇深入探討,而要來本壇做普及工作?
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: KeepOnTrying! on May 15, 2017, 09:16:13 PM
林先生,歡迎您來論壇。本論壇懂機制幣的人不多,有您加入,無論是普及還是深入討論,都是好事。不過您開的這個貼子弄到現在氣氛已經不正常。部分原因是您的風格。本壇一向彼此坦誠相待,知無不盡。poconopenn見到他認為的同模傷,提出疑問,很正常。您不必因此採用故弄玄虛的口吻。天外有天。不說別的,您那些放大鏡下拍的照片實在不敢恭維。拍不出高清大圖,如何討論刀痕這樣的細節?下面是手雕章古塔上的刀痕細節照片,供您參考。

最后還有一點疑問。您英文不太好,本壇又不擅長機制幣,您為何不去用中文專門討論機制幣的論壇深入探討,而要來本壇做普及工作?

Fwang do you mind translating this so that we can follow the discussion? Thanks.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on May 16, 2017, 08:56:32 AM
林先生,歡迎您來論壇。本論壇懂機制幣的人不多,有您加入,無論是普及還是深入討論,都是好事。不過您開的這個貼子弄到現在氣氛已經不正常。部分原因是您的風格。本壇一向彼此坦誠相待,知無不盡。poconopenn見到他認為的同模傷,提出疑問,很正常。您不必因此採用故弄玄虛的口吻。天外有天。不說別的,您那些放大鏡下拍的照片實在不敢恭維。拍不出高清大圖,如何討論刀痕這樣的細節?下面是手雕章古塔上的刀痕細節照片,供您參考。

最后還有一點疑問。您英文不太好,本壇又不擅長機制幣,您為何不去用中文專門討論機制幣的論壇深入探討,而要來本壇做普及工作?

1.   非常感謝您的寶貴建議及忠言.若因之前個人辭意表達造成誤會.我願在此向POCONOPEEN表達誠摯的道歉.
2.   就是因為個人經歷許多錢幣論壇歷練.深知黑暗的一面.想要遏止假幣的氾濫.一枚一枚揭假.永遠趕不及假幣製造及入盒的速度.
3.   一家錢幣鑑定公司的老闆親口對我說.他到中國參觀假幣工廠時.造假工廠老闆拿出一籮筐假幣.要鑑定公司老闆自己挑選品相能入盒的入盒去賣.該鑑定公司老闆嘴裏雖說沒有拿.但是.實際上早已在做球員兼裁判的鑑定幣買賣生意.
4.   我個人一直在鑽研機制幣.深知玩藏機制幣的不管新手.老手普遍都存在對錢幣真假的不確定感.老生常談的掌握機制特徵也缺乏精確有效的方法.
5.   經過個人反覆的思考及驗證.將其簡化成.所謂的掌握機制特徵就是掌握幣面圖樣.文字的刀痕.鑿痕.因為造幣鋼模就是用刀鑿刻的.鋼模上的刀痕鑿痕會經由冷沖壓忠實的反擊在錢幣表面.因此觀察不同枚同幣種錢幣表面相同位置的鑿痕.馬上就能判斷是否同模幣.精細的刀痕鑿痕也是造假業者永遠無法踰越的鴻溝.
6.   不同時代的雕刻工具.刻工.刻法.都有差異.老錢幣是整個幣面滿工雕刻.雕刻手法細膩精緻.與您的貼圖比較刀鑿痕就有天差地別.
7.   雕刻工藝有別於繪畫工藝.上頭十六年造孫中山陵墓幣的人像刻劃眼睛像貓眼.洋娃娃眼.這是幼稚園小朋友都懂的繪畫技巧.1927年維也納造幣廠的雕刻工匠人物眼睛雕法就不是這麼刻的.所以看眼睛就知是枚假幣.
8.   請您仔細看我上頭貼圖寶字各筆劃上的微細條狀鑿痕.倘使您能領悟.也讓外國朋友們知道如何觀察.只要好好利用拍攝技巧直接拍出幣面刀痕鑿痕.錢幣真假的判斷是直接有效的.
9.   唯有讓人人都懂如何判斷錢幣真假.才是遏止假幣氾濫的最好方法.這就是我來此論壇的目的.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: poconopenn on May 16, 2017, 01:49:44 PM
Here are more examples to show the incorrect wear pattern of your reproduction coin. As shown in picture one, besides of identical scratch lines, the flattened shape and size of those dots in black box also identical for these two different coins and in F condition which does not match the VF/+ condition of the coin . In the second picture, the box shows two different wear patterns, dentals are flat which matches wear pattern of scales, but the relief at edge shows very limited wear. The high relief at edge was the result of minting process during the reproduction. Those fake coins, most likely, were minted many years ago, In recent years, the counterfeiters have better equipment and made many improvement and they do not make this type mistake anymore.

The information mentioned above is well-known to contemporary counterfeiters, but can be helpful to those new collectors to detect low quality fake made many years ago as shown in this thread.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: fwang2450 on May 16, 2017, 04:49:16 PM
Fwang do you mind translating this so that we can follow the discussion? Thanks.
Here is a quick translation:
Welcome to the forum, Mr. Lin. Not that many members on this forum have expertise on the old silver dollars, and so it is nice to have you here, whether for education or for deep-going discussions. However, the post you started is not going in the right direction now, partly because of your style. This forum encourages honesty and straight talk. Poconopenn saw what he deemed to be identical scratches from transferred dies and spoke up. This is normal. You don't need to resort to some kind of joking/playful tone because of his challenge. There is always someone better out there. Other points aside, the photos you took under magnification leave a lot of room for improvement. Without high-definition pictures, how can one discuss details such as knife marks? I am offering some pictures of the knife marks on the hand-engraved Ancient Pagoda medal, for your reference.

Lastly, I am a little puzzled. Your command of English is not that good, and old Chinese silver dollars are not the focus of this forum. Why spend time on educating this forum instead of going to Chinese speaking forums specialized in old silver coins for detailed discussions?
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: fwang2450 on May 16, 2017, 05:06:36 PM
Here are more examples to show the incorrect wear pattern of your reproduction coin. As shown in picture one, besides of identical scratch lines, the flattened shape and size of those dots in black box also identical for these two different coins and in F condition which does not match the VF/+ condition of the coin . In the second picture, the box shows two different wear patterns, dentals are flat which matches wear pattern of scales, but the relief at edge shows very limited wear. The high relief at edge was the result of minting process during the reproduction. Those fake coins, most likely, were minted many years ago, In recent years, the counterfeiters have better equipment and made many improvement and they do not make this type mistake anymore.

The information mentioned above is well-known to contemporary counterfeiters, but can be helpful to those new collectors to detect low quality fake made many years ago as shown in this thread.

Good catch and very educating. I am learning.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on May 16, 2017, 08:10:45 PM
Here are more examples to show the incorrect wear pattern of your reproduction coin. As shown in picture one, besides of identical scratch lines, the flattened shape and size of those dots in black box also identical for these two different coins and in F condition which does not match the VF/+ condition of the coin . In the second picture, the box shows two different wear patterns, dentals are flat which matches wear pattern of scales, but the relief at edge shows very limited wear. The high relief at edge was the result of minting process during the reproduction. Those fake coins, most likely, were minted many years ago, In recent years, the counterfeiters have better equipment and made many improvement and they do not make this type mistake anymore.

The information mentioned above is well-known to contemporary counterfeiters, but can be helpful to those new collectors to detect low quality fake made many years ago as shown in this thread.


您好..所示陽刻凸起直線線條.並非磨損.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on May 16, 2017, 08:16:44 PM
1.   fwang2450的貼圖驗證了一位中國現代造幣廠首席雕模技師的專訪.他提到現代機制幣幣模的設計製造已全部交由電腦與機器處理.雕模技師的作用.只剩在做最後的幣模修飾.因為最後的人工刻鑿痕就是最好的防偽.因此貼圖裏的鑿痕功用看來已無美感的需要.
2.   中國老錢幣的設計製造.摻雜造幣設計者的防偽巧思.藉由精湛的雕模技巧.成為落實在幣面圖樣.文字裏的暗記佈局..真正的中國古老機制幣.在文字筆劃.筆觸中絕對具有一致性的設計理念.所以說高手單看字就能識真假.
3.   就以十六年造孫中山陵墓幣來說.幣面文字的防偽設計理念.同樣具有一致性.也就是說該幣幾乎所有文字的長橫劃在與其他筆劃交錯處會開始呈現分節.粗細.立體.及角度變化.這些刻意變化的設計.更突顯出假幣文字的平淡無奇.庸庸碌碌.
4.   個人認為如想透徹中國古老機制幣.認識中文字是有必要的.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on May 16, 2017, 08:37:11 PM
1.   關於判斷機制幣的真假.在數年前我就已經決定不再以評級入盒幣做為真假的依據.
2.   流通幣版式多.那就以樣幣為例.只要蒐集多數量相同幣種評級入盒幣.再分別比對各幣細部特徵.將會發現該等所謂樣幣全非同模.那到底何者為真.我得到的結論是…全假.
3.   歡迎以同樣方式驗證.   N28
 
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on May 17, 2017, 12:49:59 AM
1.底板暗記型態多變.附圖為陽刻陰刻同時對照存在的底板掀層暗記.
2.兩枚寶奉版不同模.紅圈標示平行直線陽刻凸起線條為寶奉版共同暗記.陽刻暗記的缺點是容易遭磨損消失.
3.在論壇裏.只要適當表達自己對錢幣的看法即可..因為每個人對機制特徵的領悟不同. 看法沒有對錯之分.也不用嘗試說服他人接受自己觀點.眼力決定視界.淡然處之.等時機到了.自會明白.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: fwang2450 on May 17, 2017, 11:40:47 AM
林先生,我貼的那張圖裡是古塔銅章,完全用手工在1:1的鋼模上陰刻出來。上海造幣廠八十年代初做了一批手雕銅章,是當時的設計/雕刻師練手用的。這些手雕章的最後一道工藝,是磨平,把手雕痕跡去除,但是這些文字被漏掉了。這些不是修模痕。我請這套章的設計師兼雕刻師曾成滬先生看過這些照片,他自己都不知道有這些痕跡。其實塔基上也有手雕痕。我沒有拍大圖。後來再版的章上就很平滑。

您說的暗記不能完全令人信服。這些痕跡沒有特定的形狀、位置、特徵,不像人工特地所為。換句話說,您的暗記說無法提出反證,那就無法討論下去,因為您可以把任何位置出現的任何形狀的痕跡都說成暗記,只要它們重複就行。修模痕也可以說成暗記,工作模上的磕碰也可以說成暗記。這些暗記看作模具特徵比較合適,可以是真模具上的特徵,也可以是假模具上的特徵。

Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: poconopenn on May 17, 2017, 03:49:01 PM
The definition of hidden mark of coin is a very small mark which can only be detected under the high power magnifier and usually are hidden inside the design (raised part of device) not on the field (flat surface). It does not make any sense when you claimed those long and shape scratched lines and large marks (as shown in your latest post) on the flat surface of the device as hidden marks. The field of the device is always smooth and flat. Any marks or raised lines on the field are caused by contact during the circulation or defected production die. Your claiming those marks on the field as either knife marks or hidden marks is just totally wrong.

The knife marks usually will not visible when the circulated coin with a condition below VF, since knife marks are only on the raised part of the device, not on the flat surface of the coin. Attached picture (copied from SANDC’s picture in the pagoda thread) is a good example of long knife marks from hand engraved pagoda medal as mentioned by Fwang in his post. It is clearly visible in UNC condition.

Please post pictures of the whole device, not a small section of the coin. The determination of authenticity of the coin has to be based on the whole device, not a small section or knife marks.

Up to now, you have not responded to my comments about the “incorrect wear patterns” of your coins.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: fwang2450 on May 17, 2017, 04:48:56 PM
林先生,再次提醒一下。您的拍照能力與您要研究的題目遠遠不符。要研究刀痕、修模痕、字體的細小變化這些微觀特徵,您得先拍出清晰的照片才能與眾人溝通、討論。以下是拇指大的一分流通硬幣的照片。第三張上可以看出年號上的mechanical doubling。您也可以去vamworld.com上看看美國人研究摩根銀幣細節時拍的照片。您用放大鏡拍的照片無論在色彩還是清晰度上都不盡人意。也許您自己看慣了,不覺得。別人看起來花眼。
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: Little Finger on May 17, 2017, 09:19:04 PM
Flower eyes, lol.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on May 18, 2017, 09:31:39 PM
1.   首發.百十年來連龍的傳人也未見的長鬚龍樣幣真面目截圖.
2.   龍首兩道造幣設計者防偽巧思一致性的蝕刻暗記.成功防偽.也讓錢幣鑑定公司的實力蒙塵..
3.   龍首兩道蝕刻暗記佈局.造成龍面破相.個人認為這是長鬚龍宣統三年未能成為流通幣主角的首要原因.
4.   理解幣面瑕疵的成因.絕對有助於錢幣真假的判斷.
5.   某家錢幣鑑定公司老闆對我說.樣幣精美.沒有暗記.聽聞此言當下.是林杯打自斷奶以後所受到的最大一次驚嚇.
6.   為了正確傳承.須大膽.堅持.合作.克服逆境.
7.   驗證歷史.非賣品….撿漏當撿如此漏.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on May 18, 2017, 10:54:58 PM
多謝諸位朋友回帖指教..個人對現代幣沒有涉獵研究.
君子於其所不知.蓋闕如也.僅會參考回帖內容.但不會表示意見.尚祈見諒. N48
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: poconopenn on May 19, 2017, 04:16:32 PM
1.   首發.百十年來連龍的傳人也未見的長鬚龍樣幣真面目截圖.
2.   龍首兩道造幣設計者防偽巧思一致性的蝕刻暗記.成功防偽.也讓錢幣鑑定公司的實力蒙塵..
3.   龍首兩道蝕刻暗記佈局.造成龍面破相.個人認為這是長鬚龍宣統三年未能成為流通幣主角的首要原因.
4.   理解幣面瑕疵的成因.絕對有助於錢幣真假的判斷.
5.   某家錢幣鑑定公司老闆對我說.樣幣精美.沒有暗記.聽聞此言當下.是林杯打自斷奶以後所受到的最大一次驚嚇.
6.   為了正確傳承.須大膽.堅持.合作.克服逆境.
7.   驗證歷史.非賣品….撿漏當撿如此漏.


As I have stated many times, the hidden marks/ knife marks will not be able to see if the coin is in VF condition. Your claim of those scratch marks as hidden marks/knife marks is simply false and total illogical.
 
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林先生,再次提醒一下。您的拍照能力與您要研究的題目遠遠不符。要研究刀痕、修模痕、字體的細小變化這些微觀特徵,您得先拍出清晰的照片才能與眾人溝通、討論。以下是拇指大的一分流通硬幣的照片。第三張上可以看出年號上的mechanical doubling。您也可以去vamworld.com上看看美國人研究摩根銀幣細節時拍的照片。您用放大鏡拍的照片無論在色彩還是清晰度上都不盡人意。也許您自己看慣了,不覺得。別人看起來花眼。
Frank,

Very nice picture. It shows not only mechanical doubling, but also shows the coin is made with a  poorly polished working die (hairlines are only on the field, not on the design).



Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on May 31, 2017, 04:06:25 AM
1.   民國三年袁大頭發行流通超過5億枚.版式超過1000種.唯獨L.GIORGI英文簽字版僅試鑄樣幣即成絕響.原因何在?百年來始終是個謎. 樣幣既然精美.在無其他外在條件制約下.為何不能發行流通使用..可見必有隱情.
2.   1910至1919年9月.義籍L.GIORGI在中國造幣廠擔任首席雕模技師職務.直接參與了宣三大清銀幣至民國八年造袁大頭的造幣鋼模雕製.
3.   1914民國三年袁大頭試鑄簽字版.L.GIORGI藝高膽大.在袁像鬍子旁底板設計了陽刻漸層防偽暗記.有破相疑慮.與1911宣統三年長鬚龍破相(有前例)結局相同.均被當局禁止發行流通.這就是真相.
4.   驗證歷史.非賣品.保真機制.撿漏當撿如此漏.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on May 31, 2017, 05:13:24 AM
海不擇眾川故能成其大..不同看法需要的是理解.而非被迫服從.日後有心人自會驗證不同看法的對與錯...

但是.如果隨便就把人扣上宣傳假幣的屎盆子.那就不對了.

錢幣是否符合機制?所貼圖文細節已足可說明.差別只在個人能否領悟而已.倘若無法領悟.再多言語也是多餘.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on June 09, 2017, 11:14:03 PM
1.   首發錢幣真相…..光緒十年吉林廠平壹兩
2.   傳統中國人雕刻擅長用刀.見識刻工及刻刀痕
3.   玩藏錢幣.倘若一輩子都不識真相.那才是最大的悲哀.
4.   錢幣博物館倘若收藏贗品充數.則是自愚愚人的最大笑話..
5.   驗證歷史.非賣品.保真機制.撿漏當撿如此漏.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on June 16, 2017, 09:08:47 AM
1.首發錢幣真相截圖....浙江省造魏碑體字光緒元寶七錢二分
2.魏碑體字筆觸渾厚圓融立體感強.撿漏當撿如此漏.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on June 22, 2017, 09:24:50 PM
1.   首發錢幣真相……1900庚子京局製造光緒元寶七錢二分.兩版圖文細節諸多不同.請自行比對.
2.   刻制幣模. 斗膽搞破相觸犯龍顏的也只有洋人.清末造假.沒這等狗膽.近現代造假.沒這等智商.
3.   真假幣最大的差異在於龍圖立體感的呈現.真幣龍首仿若飛天迎面而來.
4.   A.B兩版龍圖12點鐘方向背面中文字相同.邊齒型態一致.
5.   驗證歷史.保真機制.非賣品.撿漏當撿如此漏
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on June 30, 2017, 11:48:57 PM
1.   首發上海銀餅真相…1856咸豐六年郁森盛豐年造壹兩足紋銀餅三版共同暗記.
2.   幣面任何瑕疵都有其成因.理解瑕疵的成因.絕對有助於錢幣真假的判斷.
3.   發現真正機制幣具有相同的幣面瑕疵特徵.一版無動於衷.二版喜形於色.三版納頭便拜.
4.   銀餅兩面皆為文字.刻制多組鋼模.字形無法全然相同.此幣種為防偽目的.在底板設計眾多陽刻凸起線條暗記.相同位置邊道設計成道中有道.瞎子摸幣亦能大致判斷真偽.另由文字筆劃邊緣殘存褐黃色油脂.大致能判斷當年經手銀餅相關行業類別.
5.   類似的底板陽刻線條共同暗記.在中外通寶關平銀壹兩.及光緒十四年貴州官爐造銀餅念寶均有發現.至於底板陽刻點狀共同暗記則在戶部庫平一兩.及丁未雙龍一兩有所發現.
6.   玩藏錢幣.訊息的獲得.錢幣的入手皆是緣份.不以名利為前提的錢幣研究自能迭有奇遇.這就叫….老天有眼.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: poconopenn on July 01, 2017, 03:46:19 PM
1.   首發上海銀餅真相…1856咸豐六年郁森盛豐年造壹兩足紋銀餅三版共同暗記.
2.   幣面任何瑕疵都有其成因.理解瑕疵的成因.絕對有助於錢幣真假的判斷.
3.   發現真正機制幣具有相同的幣面瑕疵特徵.一版無動於衷.二版喜形於色.三版納頭便拜.
4.   銀餅兩面皆為文字.刻制多組鋼模.字形無法全然相同.此幣種為防偽目的.在底板設計眾多陽刻凸起線條暗記.相同位置邊道設計成道中有道.瞎子摸幣亦能大致判斷真偽.另由文字筆劃邊緣殘存褐黃色油脂.大致能判斷當年經手銀餅相關行業類別.
5.   類似的底板陽刻線條共同暗記.在中外通寶關平銀壹兩.及光緒十四年貴州官爐造銀餅念寶均有發現.至於底板陽刻點狀共同暗記則在戶部庫平一兩.及丁未雙龍一兩有所發現.
6.   玩藏錢幣.訊息的獲得.錢幣的入手皆是緣份.不以名利為前提的錢幣研究自能迭有奇遇.這就叫….老天有眼.


The "hidden mark" will not be easily detected and will not be very long scratched lines as shown in the pictures. They are clearly counterfeit.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on July 03, 2017, 08:36:53 PM
1.   真幣只是比假幣多添加了叫智商的成份.當初造幣設計者的防偽巧思並不奢望全部的人都會懂.只要有部份智商達標的人能懂就夠了.
2.   所謂的貓爪痕細線條.只要以側光看底板平整度.肉眼即可清楚發現.這些存在於不同版的陽刻細線條位置固定.個人猜想是以事先設計好的套件套在完工的個別幣模上.在該套件預留的細縫處以鎢鋼針逐一劃線.以智商完成大部分人認為 不可能的防偽設計.
3.   清代科技相較落後於列強.造幣機器均得向列強購買.造幣技術對環伺的列強而言只是小菜一碟.對有價貨幣的積極防偽以維護自身利益.絕對是大清國的優先考量.
4.   玩錢起初著眼在錢文.圖樣.珠圈.馬齒.邊齒.到後來才醒悟底板也是大有文章的地方.
5.   附圖為世上所有錢幣博物館均無緣收藏的高智商光緒元寶滿文截圖.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on July 06, 2017, 02:45:41 AM
1.   上下圖比較1897德國人刻模功力.光緒元寶滿文四字.
2.   錢幣防偽設計與造假是場諜對諜的永久較量.智商及技術水平質量低的註定要落敗.搞錢幣鑑定.力有未逮就不該勉強.發出評級假幣.好比庸醫看病.
3.   牢記中國孔老夫子的訓示..知之為知之.不知為不知.是知也.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on July 19, 2017, 08:34:55 PM
1.   玩藏機制幣.我不信權威.只是盡力收集錢幣實物來驗證歷史傳說.
2.   史上相傳戶部庫平一兩是大清國光緒29年委請日本大阪造幣廠雕制25組幣模.1911宣統三年立龍伍角輔幣應流通量需求模組數料應更多..但相關實際數據歷史全無記載.
3.   中國舊社會某幣商曾收藏48枚宣三伍角立龍.其後代多年前整批釋出後.個人是承接的第三手.除了前手留存兩枚作紀念.其餘46枚全數買進.
4.   46枚中除一枚屬複打幣.其餘45枚在照相.仔細比對後發現.45枚均分屬不同版別.推測前手留存的兩枚也是不同版別.
5.   如果宣三伍角曾在流通市場流通過.想必該幣商收藏的48枚伍角立龍中一定會出現多數枚相同版別.其實並沒有.所以這提供一項有力證據.宣三伍角只是承造出版別試打幣.卻來不及大量製造流通.清朝就已覆滅.
6.   單憑肉眼觀察根本無法輕鬆分辨45枚版別差異.在清朝覆滅前風雨飄搖的時刻.該幣商有本事搞到不同版別試打幣.不得不佩服他的能耐與定性.
7.   手裡的46枚宣三立龍.至今沒有一枚出手.實際上還惦記著前手那兩枚.發文只是告訴機制幣愛好者.有這麼一回事.1911宣統三年伍角立龍在清朝覆滅前完成刻制試打的幣模版別數為47.相信這數字有9成5以上的可信度.
8.   手中45枚宣三立龍上半截圖中幣面底板均有陽刻點狀及多線條共同暗記.龍首上方10點到2點邊道上另刻有2至4道細長條紋共同特徵.編號第7枚除外.伍字右上一朵小龍雲型態45枚刻法均不相同.此外龍身麟片型態大小不一.立體感強.明顯添加了智商成份…截圖容後另補.
9.   歡迎有心人繼續驗證. N28
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on July 28, 2017, 04:17:10 AM
1.   1898奉天此幣種,百多年來幾人識真?
2.   1897奉天省造無干支七錢二分就更別提了!
3.   正確傳承的最大阻礙是涉嫌常業詐欺的鑑定公司.
4.   悲哀! N45
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on August 05, 2017, 08:38:38 PM
見識1911曲鬚龍3版     N28
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on August 17, 2017, 06:59:15 PM
A. 論壇首發…….1908罕見長尾鬼面龍..
B. 北洋造不同版別真幣.在龍圖面龍爪指間..設有通用防偽暗記.
C. 前人所謂短尾..短雲..開雲.34字體異形.除缺共同暗記…壓力不足全非機制
D. 真幣難得一見.能瞇到就是福.   N28
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on September 07, 2017, 07:27:04 PM
1.   形似…已不再是鑑定的可靠依據
2.   刀工.刀法.刻刀痕的微觀視界.正考驗造假與鑑定本事.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on September 18, 2017, 08:05:19 PM
論壇首發….1911高清英文GIORGI簽字版真相   N28
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on September 27, 2017, 08:10:52 PM
論壇首發..1882光緒八年吉林廠平壹兩......真假對照   N28
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on October 06, 2017, 07:35:29 PM
論壇首發…1890光緒十六年山西官爐造足紋壹兩..真假對照
1.   真幣特徵..豐富的底板陽刻線條.字型.筆序.刻刀痕呈現立體感.
2.   體字骨上方為暗示..對照曲字筆序是含高智商成份的防偽設計.
3.   附圖足以揪出目前所有的假幣.
4.   N年前林杯在中國的錢幣論壇就提過..高手單看字就能識真假..可惜聽者渺渺.
5.   若能領悟…自能通體舒暢… N28
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on October 13, 2017, 11:12:14 PM
論壇首發…1906丙午戶部中字壹兩……真假對照
真幣特徵.
1.   圖文線條較假幣纖細且邊際明確不含糊.刻刀痕.立體感.
2.   設有多處防偽暗記.如附圖光緒兩字右上方筆劃交角處.
3.   內圈水波紋19條.有些水波紋區塊中每條細看像油條.   N28
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on October 23, 2017, 07:40:36 PM
論壇首發..1908大清銀幣戌申吉字庫平一兩…真假對照

1.   號稱孤品樣幣的戌申吉字一兩確定有兩個版式.
2.   戌申吉字一兩的兩個版式直徑大小與前帖兩版戶部中字一兩及新疆省造光緒銀元庫平重一兩完全相同
3.   1906戶部中字一兩獨特的防偽巧思及暗記佈局.在1908戌申吉字一兩有異曲同工之妙.兩者除了底板陽刻線條暗記與字體筆劃間的陽刻暗記.戌申吉字一兩青出於藍..還多了底板及環珠邊緣的陽刻暗記.
4.   這唯二的證據顯示1908戌申吉字一兩與1906戶部中字一兩應該都是出自天津造幣總廠製造..而並非如傳言吉林銀元局製造.
5.   綜觀此幣種假幣或缺暗記特徵.或字體筆劃間多有沾粘.不像真幣筆劃間及環珠邊緣存在的陽刻暗記與相鄰主體筆劃邊緣有明確的分際.
6.   領悟附圖足以槍斃眼下此幣種所有的假幣.   N28
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on October 25, 2017, 02:40:35 AM
補圖…百年首見..1908大清銀幣戌申吉字一兩
1.A.B兩版龍圖TAEL….AE間陽刻線條暗記.
2.見識…..防偽比防賊還嚴密.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on October 26, 2017, 04:07:08 AM
更正…1908年為戊申..前兩帖圖文皆誤植為戌申..SORRY   N48
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on November 06, 2017, 05:47:46 PM
論壇首發…1928中華民國十七年甘肅省造孫像壹圓…
1.   真幣特徵..薄邊.直徑小於3.9公分.文字刻劃具立體感.十字中間隆起.年字下橫截角暗記.人像淺雕.背面黨徽看似平整.但在視覺上卻有中央隆起的效果.人像眼角至耳上有一細長陽刻線條疤痕記號.此處刻意破相的造幣防偽設計在後人造假過程中早已被抹去..之後以假仿假.與十六年造孫中山陵墓幣.十七年張作霖背雙旗大元帥紀念幣.此三幣種評級入盒.拍賣.皆無真幣.
2.   附圖為HA2014年4月芝加哥-世界钱币(#3032)
    L&M-618, Kann-760, KM-Y410, XF Details (Surface Hairlines) NGC. Traces of remaining luster, with a bold strike and light contact marks. A very rare type. From The Robert Raymond Ruff Collection
3.   不要以為老藏家的藏品就一定都是真的.   N28
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on November 19, 2017, 08:01:23 PM
1.   補上帖圖..見識年字截角暗記.筆劃立體感.
2.   附圖採用前手拍攝錢幣圖樣截圖.
3.   錢幣拍攝背景用藍色.錢幣視覺色調會偏黃.這是常識.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on November 24, 2017, 11:01:17 PM
1.   論壇首發…1899清光緒25年陜西省造光緒元寶庫平七錢二分樣幣截圖…..兩版防偽巧思.暗記佈局探究分享.
2.   中文字體造型千變萬化.大致相同大不同.
3.   一版不咋樣..兩版對照就能頓悟個篤定了.
4.   機制幣防偽心思縝密.果能解密造幣設計者心思.自能神交古人.這才是玩藏錢幣的樂趣所在.
5.   眼力就是在持續不斷的細部比對中練就的…   N28
 
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on December 05, 2017, 06:28:35 PM
論壇首發..1911宣統三年大清銀幣壹圓…反龍三版截圖分享
1.   真幣特徵..龍圖龍雲前後立體層次分明雕工精湛.
2.   字面…滿文四字由右深雕往左逐漸淺雕.環珠1點鐘至8點鐘深雕往左側漸淺雕..邊道與馬齒連接處宣字往左花束呈波浪紋..宣字寶蓋橫劃呈現疊筆.斷筆..一版納悶.三版篤定.多項類似特徵料是造幣防偽設計..方便概分真假.或許也成為落選原因..
3.   三版龍面字面皆有芒絲細紋陽刻線條做為共同暗記特徵.
4.   假幣入盒就是在創造錯誤的錢幣歷史.
5.   唯有找出對的錢幣來驗證歷史.利用錢幣考古才是正途.
6.   .論壇所述..歡迎有心人繼續驗證..盡信無法進步….
7.   附圖A龍圖龍舌下缘為細線異物沾粘..提醒切莫錯仿..   N28
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on December 05, 2017, 08:19:05 PM
論壇首發....1921徐世昌仁壽同登...真相截圖分享
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on December 15, 2017, 06:53:41 AM
論壇首發….1907丁未壹圓樣幣兩版與1908造幣總廠七錢二分……龍家族共同暗記真相揭密…
1.   相同造幣廠前後期設計製造的系列錢幣.防偽巧思與暗記佈局通常具有沿用的慣性.應是考量不搞複雜及易於統一辨偽.
2.   玩藏錢幣化繁為簡.就是要尋出同系列錢幣家族的特徵規律性..方便於尋真探真..
3.   1907丁未壹圓不同版樣幣在字面.龍面皆設有蝕刻共同暗記.1908造幣總廠沿用丁未壹圓龍圖..同時沿用了大部分的暗記佈局.甚至嚴謹如馬齒特徵亦極度相似.兩幣種最明顯差異在丁未壹圓龍眼附近有一道蝕刻切線造成破相.猜想就是丁未壹圓樣幣未能發行流通的原因.1908造幣總廠發行流通時就少了這道龍眼旁蝕刻切線.附圖一因左側採光拍攝未能顯現這道蝕刻切線....俺是故意的..給看垂直線…
4.   真幣查有不對稱圖文.及人為刻意的瑕疵暗記.蝕刻暗記多數是以非直線及不斷透的原則呈現.明示刻意人為…宣統三年長鬚龍亦如此...這就是所謂防偽設計的智商成分.
5.   1907丁未壹圓.1908造幣總廠兩幣種..在假幣入盒的衝擊下…全中國找不出幾枚真幣….事實就是如此…..歡迎有心人驗證..
6.   附圖一3枚造總龍截圖皆不同版.共同暗記知多少?..…
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on December 17, 2017, 06:23:40 PM
補圖….
1.   一眼識丁未
2.   不同幣種不存在修模沿用之說.
3.   見識不對稱.非直線.不斷透.
4.   造假仍需努力..鑑定遙遙落後…橫批..都不用功..
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on December 18, 2017, 08:33:52 PM
論壇首發…1899新疆省造光緒銀元庫平重七錢二分截圖
1.   錢幣…平淡無奇的文字圖樣.沒有真的可能.
2.   一字識真假…..新…字特色…字型鬆散..筆劃端圓鈍.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on December 21, 2017, 03:49:09 AM
論壇首發…1923中華民國十二年造…龍鳳壹圓截圖….真假對照
1.   真幣的圖文具立體感.細節鮮明銳利..刻刀痕.包漿漸層色澤差異可小至單一刻刀痕.是普天下造假.做舊尚未能逾越的罩門.
2.   附圖中兩枚NGC.PCGS評级假幣..用高倍燈源放大鏡.因假幣鑄造壓力不足幣面圖文.邊緣會呈現毛燥鬆散樣態..只需三秒.即可判假.利用此方式可輕易排除90%以上的假幣..這種便捷快篩.顯然錢幣鑑定公司尚未能領悟運用.
3.   據此..口袋再深…評级假幣也是買不完的……
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on January 21, 2018, 08:10:07 PM
論壇首發…1911宣統三年大清銀幣壹圓…五龍
1.   短鬚龍造幣鋼模圖文輪廓大致底定.惜立體層次未竟全功.是急就章供參的樣幣.造形設計與長鬚龍版本不同.
2.   五龍.細看龍雲有大小.疏密.虛實之分.若要體現神龍騰雲駕霧.大且密實具層次的曲鬚龍較符合決策者要求.
3.   凡機制真幣.必設有人為刻意的瑕疵暗記.全幣綜觀無異樣.微觀有玄機.曲鬚龍相較之下較無破相之虞.字面也較精神.
4.   積弱不振的大清亟待振衰起弊.國幣的選擇傾向蓬勃朝氣.與曲鬚龍相較.其餘四款未能盡如人意.字面中文及英文也乏善可陳.
2.   雕刻刀.雕刻鑿整的鋼模. 綜觀幣面圖文底板至多呈現差不多的平整.完全光滑平整的是現代工藝品.
3.   不對稱設計是造幣防偽最簡單有效的手段.暗記是加保險.
4.   評级曲鬚無真幣…撿漏當撿如此漏.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on January 22, 2018, 08:27:23 PM
論壇首發…1922湖南省憲成立紀念壹圓…..真假對照
1.   此幣種已評级入盒的沒有真幣.
2.   沒有三分顏色..也敢開啟染坊……….真丟臉….
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on February 03, 2018, 08:51:03 PM
論壇首發…1897吉林省造無紀年光緒元寶七錢二分花籃土吉擊寶三版……非同模傷共同暗記揭密.
1.   此幣種真幣選擇在字面元字右腳旁設計成環珠缺失.若單見一枚.會誤認是幣面磨損.見兩枚以上會誤認是同模傷假幣.所以鑑識圖樣清晰是必要的.附圖三異版字面珠圈斷口兩端環珠及十字星型態各異可證.環珠缺失若真屬磨損.元字右腳又豈能都安然無恙?..凡真幣手刻環珠型態各不相同.假幣環珠由電腦整造型規律一致.大元帥紀念幣外環五角星是如此.吉林十年廠平一兩外環小圓圈也是如此.
2.   錢幣本為流通用. 並非為百年後收藏..時日一久早晚會有磨損.既然如此造幣先造出磨損樣態何嘗不可.造幣巧思諜對諜----兵不厭詐.證實----造幣防偽第一.破相在所不惜..
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on February 09, 2018, 04:22:09 AM
論壇首發---1901吉林省造辛丑太極七錢二分….防偽巧思揭密及真假對照…
1.   真正機制真幣.沒有所謂錯版..都是….故意的版.
2.   造幣設計者唯恐後人不辨真假.暗記設計常刻意營造出對照.其意是擔心後人智商不足無法領悟..且看吉字.上馬齒.下環珠.倒S尾與2互為對照明示其為故意.R字頭與N字頭蝕刻互為對照.
3.   此幣種已評级入盒的沒有真幣.真幣倒S設計的蝕刻防偽玄機.歷經117年依然不費吹灰之力KO所有造假與鑑定.
4.   倒S錯版之說….誰才是傻瓜?
5.   鑑古知今.真懂的少.唬爛的比九牛全毛還多…….
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on February 12, 2018, 06:31:38 PM
續上帖補圖….1901吉林省造辛丑太極七錢二分龍圖3版
1.   同一幣種不同版別間設計了共同暗記利於辨識真假.個別版別另有個別暗記.只要找到多數枚詳加比較自能豁然開朗.
2.   附圖中此幣種共同暗記特徵在哪?
3.   上帖附圖3所述倒S蝕刻及R.N字頭蝕刻究為共同還是個別暗記.請自行驗證.
4.   莫盡信.勤快驗證才是進步根源...... N28
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on February 12, 2018, 08:42:36 PM
論壇首發….1916湖南洪憲元年中華銀幣壹圓….真假對照.
1.   能力不足以鑑識鑄造..又沒見過真幣..切莫隨口唬爛說是臆造…此枚ACCA評級入盒假幣一眼壓力不足..有練過的3秒就能讓它出局.
2.   真正機制真幣圖樣.筆劃綫條.底板表面不會全然光滑..龍鱗馬齒顆顆立體..凡刻鑿過必留下刻鑿痕跡…這是常識…
3.   真假差在哪???
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on February 13, 2018, 06:10:13 PM
續上帖.補充說明
1.   FAKE A,FAKE B  not  the  same  one.
2.   兩枚假幣源自同一假幣當母模鑄造..因鑄工不良導致兩枚假幣鑄造瑕疵明顯不同.
3.   此幣種真幣在字面銀字金左腳附近幣面底板設有神秘暗記.由不同方向觀察.該暗記會有陽刻.蝕刻的視覺轉換錯覺.是非常具智慧的防偽手段及雕刻技巧.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on February 18, 2018, 06:52:31 PM
論壇首發….農曆新年獻禮,9枚罕見一兩機制真幣,得見不虚此生。  N43
1.   中外通寶關平銀壹兩3版,中字壹兩2版,吉字一兩2版,甘肅省造乙巳庫平一兩,新疆省造庫平重一兩。
2.   歡迎各方同好親自上手研究一新耳目,讓不懂裝懂的唬爛者一一現形。
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: Womanofvalor on February 22, 2018, 06:36:14 PM
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Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on February 25, 2018, 07:08:42 AM
論壇首發…1928中華民國十七年大元帥紀念幣廬山真面目
1.   大元帥紀念幣號稱為中國天津造幣總廠末代機制人像幣的典範,該人像五官皮膚,肌肉,骨骼的雕刻立體效果,宛如精美的黑白相片。
2.   林杯N年前歷經8個月時間研究才完全破解此幣種防偽巧思及暗記佈局。真幣手刻外環五星顆顆立體.型態相異。假幣靠人工智慧整得規律一致。真幣人像右側緣底板另設有蝕刻暗記。
3.   中國東北瀋陽大帥府博物館收藏的大元帥紀念幣並非真幣,此由遼寧省政府曾舉辦提供的重要文物選拔圖片一看就知。過往所有評级入盒及拍賣的此幣種皆無真幣。
4.   世間若有與此枚品項相當的真品樣幣,林杯願以NTD.2099萬元收購以供對比研究。
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on February 27, 2018, 08:54:03 PM
論壇首發…1916中華帝國洪憲紀元2版袁像廬山真面目
1.   此2版同樣印證防偽第一,破相在所不惜。
2.   這2版外國人口稱的fat man 都有明顯雙下巴。
3.   A版袁像右側脖子有兩處蝕刻對照暗記,頰側與耳上帽帶繫節互為淺深蝕刻對照暗記。
4.   B版袁像兩耳外側緣各有蝕刻對照暗記,左肩章有蝕刻暗記,其餘暗記不在截圖內,有心人可按圖索驥。
5.   2版袁像五官包括眉眼、鼻子、鬍鬚、口唇、兩耳,刻工雕法諸多雷同,研判岀自同一雕刻技師之手。
6.   此2版皆有少量發行餽贈擁護中華帝國洪憲紀元的達官貴人,在此2版背飛龍下方底版空白處研判刻有受贈者名號,在袁氏83天皇帝夢破滅後,相同位置的受贈者名號悉數遭磨除避嫌,就是這段歷史的直接證據。
7.   飛龍幣面同樣設計了多樣共同暗記,待有心人自行驗證。
8.   百年老幣的幣面圖文多有風化滄桑感,這是偽造做舊難以模仿的歲月底韻。
9.   找出對的錢幣驗證錢幣歷史,讓唬爛者閉嘴,還真相一個公道,千山獨行,無悔。
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on March 02, 2018, 07:35:08 PM
補圖…1916中華帝國洪憲紀元袁像飛龍2版袁像廬山真面目
1.   此幣種版別共同暗記設在飛龍面。
2.   在不同顏色背景拍攝錢幣,錢幣所呈現色調當然不同。
3.   完美無暇的中國近代錢幣絕對是糖衣毒藥,卻恰好是造假、護假、售假、鑑定的最愛。
4.   上大圖供參,見識高手是怎麼雕刻的幣模,真假線索就藏在細節裏,放大你的評级幣比比看,到底誰在唬爛???
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on March 09, 2018, 07:58:28 AM
論壇首發….1889廣東省造七三反版…字面真面目
   
見識空模 die clash
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on March 12, 2018, 06:27:14 AM
論壇首發….1928貴州汽車幣AUTO DOLLAR
1.   政字末筆劃尾端藏有雕刻師SB英文縮寫簽字.
2.   錢字金造型雕刻展現創意.
3.   幣面多處藏有防偽玄機.
4.   附圖2為前手拍攝.看到錢字金.立即勇敢買進
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on March 15, 2018, 09:37:09 PM
補圖....1889廣東省造七三反版..龍圖...廬山真面目


撿漏當撿如此漏.... N28
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on March 23, 2018, 03:29:40 AM
論壇首發….1924中華民國執政紀念幣背和平……
1.     段祺瑞...廬山真面目…印證防偽第一…破相在所不惜..
2.   假幣濫竽充數大量入盒..真幣當然不值了…
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on March 23, 2018, 08:18:42 PM
論壇首發…1898戊戌安徽省造光緒元寶七錢二分..真相截圖
1.   真假幣本質上最大的差異就在有無立體感及刻鑿痕,這就是造幣設計的智商成分。
2.   百年老幣表面的風化滄桑感是歲月淬練的成果.人為做舊難以模仿.
3.   假幣百款圖文各自表述.文字筆觸大致相同大不同.細心比較自能發現其間差異.
4.   奉獻大圖…比比看啥才叫真….. N28
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on March 27, 2018, 08:10:59 AM
論壇首發….1928中華民國十七年甘肅省造孫像黨徽壹圓
1.   寬邊版截圖……君不見黃河之水天上來的防偽巧思
2.   印證….防偽第一….破相在所不惜…
3.   薄邊版破相處在耳上眼側.相當醒目..個人設想當初此幣種發行流通主力應為寬邊版.
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on March 31, 2018, 09:33:26 PM
論壇首發….1894廣東省造壽字雙龍七錢二….真相揭密
1.   壽字旁環狀珠圈暗記明示慈禧60大壽,壽字橫劃上分佈諸多小圓圈蝕刻暗記,是否有特殊涵義尚待解密。
2.   字面分佈許多不同型態的陽刻暗記,幾乎全是不同版別間的共同暗記,一眼就能識真假。
3.   雙龍壽字幣存世稀少原因,除了史傳甲午戰敗不宜大肆張揚祝壽,個人從造幣防偽設計中隱約嗅岀光緒帝親政後新舊勢力間的明爭暗鬥,舊勢力為延續既得權勢,藉祝壽幣向慈禧輸誠表明擁戴,此從字面光字週遭兩處明顯陽刻暗記,與造字口內陽刻暗記互為對照,對光緒帝嘲諷奚落的不敬不言可喻,為了避免光緒慈禧間關係惡化,此祝壽幣終被大量銷毀應屬意料中事。
4.   歡迎有心人接續驗證。 N28
 
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on April 05, 2018, 07:06:49 PM
論壇首發….1900吉林省造光緒元寶庚子花籃七錢二分…真相截圖
1.   具有平滑圖文底版筆劃表面的錢幣,只是現代工藝品而非機制幣。
2.   舉例,在平滑鏡面上灑上細沙,再利用雕刻刀、雕刻鑿將細沙清除,最終鏡面上佈滿刻鑿痕,絕不可能恢復光潔平滑鏡面。
3.   具有智商成分的刻鑿痕,才是機制真幣的直接證據。
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on April 06, 2018, 08:25:56 PM
論壇首發…1907丁未壹圓2版、1908造幣總廠2版…廬山真面目
1.   實物證據顯示,1908造幣總廠所採用的背龍圖完全承襲1907丁未壹圓龍圖,兩幣種的防偽巧思、暗記佈局、甚或邊道馬齒皆極度相似,充其量只是手工雕模的些微版別差異而已。
2.   切莫輕視邊道馬齒的防偽地位,幣王奉天癸卯壹兩幣種有大小龍眼兩版,邊道馬齒部位即有蝕刻及陽刻兩種不同的版別暗記,提供有心人參考。
3.   同時提供兩幣種大圖供參,不要玩藏一輩子,都不曉得真幣長啥樣?
        那才叫…………悲哀!!!
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on April 29, 2018, 10:32:13 PM
論壇首發…1912軍政府造四川銀幣大點金…..真假對照
1.   已如前述,平滑的幣面圖文沒有真的可能。
附圖1、2出處http://jd.cang.com/1049906.html......請自行參閱
2.   附圖5…..A版幣面蝕刻特徵,何處有可能是此幣種的共同暗記? N28

Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on May 01, 2018, 08:36:10 PM
承上帖補圖……B版供參。
總結假幣特徵……
1.   欠缺防偽智商成分及手工雕模精湛刀鑿痕。
2.   無機制沖壓立體感及老幣氧化包漿漸層。
3.   圖文邊際混沌不清。
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on May 14, 2018, 06:59:34 PM
論壇首發..1894湖北省造背本省光緒元寶七錢二分..真假對照
   1.綜觀機制幣防偽設計理念是以最大變數為原則,傳言背本省的省字與字面省字神似,是不懂裝懂的唬爛說詞。

   2.截圖文字筆觸大致相同大不同,真幣筆觸圓融,假幣筆觸尖硬。
   3.仔細欣賞圖文刻鑿工法,讓唬爛現形,還真相一個公道。

Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on May 14, 2018, 07:27:53 PM
承上帖,另補三版截圖供參。 N28 N28 N28
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on May 18, 2018, 09:31:42 PM
論壇首發…1889廣東省造七三反版….真假對照
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on May 29, 2018, 07:30:21 PM
論壇首發…1856咸豐六年上海郁森盛一兩足紋銀餅......真相截圖
1.   見識不同時代的雕刻技法自成獨特的防偽功能。
2.   蝕刻暗記是機制幣最基本防偽手段也是辨真偽最後一道防線。
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: skyline2go on June 10, 2018, 01:25:27 PM
Nice post. Thank you.. linlaujiou
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on June 12, 2018, 09:08:02 PM
論壇首發…1916中華帝國洪憲紀元..袁像飛龍紀念幣….真相揭密……承續Reply## 128,129
1.   袁像飛龍紀念幣共承造2版式用以致贈擁護洪憲紀元的當朝達官貴人,飛龍幣面空白處另行刻劃個別受贈者名號,當洪憲紀元垮台後,受贈者為避免遭受牽連,銷毀及磨滅錢幣上名號的舉動,讓此幣種減損存世更為稀少。
2.   此二版式袁像飛龍紀念幣在飛龍幣面設計有多款防偽共同暗記,飛龍尾部以斷筆折尾突顯立體感的蝕刻暗記是此幣種防偽的最後一道防綫,也是一眼識真假的罩門所在。
3.   外環馬齒採蝕刻空心馬齒序列,截圖中9點鐘方向設有一實心馬齒暗記。
4.   中華帝國中字採疊筆刻劃,國字口上橫斷筆防偽。
5.   機制幣嚴格遵守一個幣模一個樣,相同版式相對位置的微細刻鑿痕必定也是全然相同,現代影像科技已能拍出單一刻鑿痕,不怕被仿。
6.   已如前述,找出對的錢幣來驗證錢幣歷史,讓不懂裝懂的唬爛者現形,還真相一個公道。共勉之〜〜〜
7.   塵封百年錢幣秘密解惑…別再浪費血汗錢購買評級入盒假幣了。 N28
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on July 07, 2018, 09:11:40 PM
論壇首發…1925李景林紀念幣背雙旗截圖….真假對照
1.   真幣五角星右上角採破相防偽設計,頂角上蝕刻小旗蝕刻綫未穿透珠鍊,五星是此幣種一眼識真假的防偽罩門。
2.   國字口下短橫斷筆,民字下橫非直線。
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on July 15, 2018, 07:25:55 PM
論壇首發…1890光緒十六年山西官爐造足紋壹兩截圖…真假對照
Title: Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
Post by: linlaujiou on July 17, 2018, 08:00:38 PM
論壇首發…1907喀什大清銀幣湘平壹兩….真相揭秘
1.   已如前述,平滑的幣面圖文,沒有真的可能。
2.   大致相同大不同,一個大字就能幫你剃除此幣種所有的假幣。
3.   好好領悟機制真幣特徵,刀鑿痕、立體感、防偽暗記、包漿漸層。
4.   信林杯,可撿漏。   N43