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Title: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: poconopenn on April 17, 2014, 12:28:09 AM
I do not recall to ever see this 15-coin/medal silver complete set at eBay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/191138132706?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: Contrapunctus on April 17, 2014, 07:09:04 AM
I do not recall to ever see this 15-coin/medal silver complete set at eBay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/191138132706?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


For me, I would not buy unfamiliar coins OMP. All of them have to be in PCGS or NGC slabs.
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: 1668Chris on April 17, 2014, 09:14:43 AM
I do not recall to ever see this 15-coin/medal silver complete set at eBay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/191138132706?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


This set has been on ebay for a very long time.  Not sure why you did not see it before.
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: PandaOrLunar on April 17, 2014, 11:50:15 AM
Besides the dragon token, large dog medal, and large 50 Yuan coin, is it "very rare" and worth 5 digits range?

All the other smaller coins are really available around 2 and lower 3 digits?
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: poconopenn on April 18, 2014, 01:06:42 AM
This set has been on ebay for a very long time.  Not sure why you did not see it before.

Apparently, I missed this set in my search. Usually, I search rare MCC in PRC 1949-Now and sorted with price the highest or by date. This item was listed in mixed lots and has no date in its title.

Besides the dragon token, large dog medal, and large 50 Yuan coin, is it "very rare" and worth 5 digits range?

All the other smaller coins are really available around 2 and lower 3 digits?

The 1993 5 oz. silver coin (mintage 803) by itself has a valuation more than $6,000 in later 2011. I remembered that this 1994 Yin-Yang set was not popular when issued by the distributor. Most collectors, including myself, had 1992 &1993 I & D sets and 2-coin 3 Yuan set already and were not willing to pay the complete set just for the 5 oz. Yin-Yang medal. For this reason, this 15-coin set was promoted heavily even in 1996, but no buyer. I believe that many of this set were melted later by the distributor. The surviving population of this 5 oz. Yin-Yang medal is definitely much lower than original planned 350.  This 5 oz. Yin-Yang medal was not mentioned in any book and not too many collectors know about it.

Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: pandamonium on April 18, 2014, 09:31:31 AM
The 1985 5 oz Xinjiang Autonomy silver medal is not listed in Huong Ruiyong's book.   It is listed w/ Mr Ge at 1,400 mintage.   Not as low mintage as the Yin Yang 5 oz but still a rare medal too that grades very low.......One PF 69.......
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: poconopenn on April 18, 2014, 03:01:40 PM
Copy of the pictures form eBay listing of this 1994 Yin-Yang/dog 5 oz. silver medal were posted below for future reference.

Disclosure: I do not own this medal and do not know the seller and has never done any business with this seller either.
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: fwang2450 on April 18, 2014, 06:50:20 PM
Copy of the pictures form eBay listing of this 1994 Yin-Yang/dog 5 oz. silver medal were posted below for future reference.

Disclosure: I do not own this medal and do not know the seller and has never done any business with this seller either.

Is this medal from one of the Chinese mints? It struck me as "foreign" when I first saw it.
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: poconopenn on April 19, 2014, 12:06:16 AM
Is this medal from one of the Chinese mints? It struck me as "foreign" when I first saw it.

This is a very good question and it is my first impression that this medal may not be the product of China Mint. Panda American was the contract originator of I & D series and had very good connection to China Mint. There is no reason for PA not to ask China Mint for this medal. Perhaps, PA can answer this question. Nevertheless, this is a very low mintage medal and is associated to I & D series. IMO, the valuation of this medal should not be changed regardless the maker of this medal.
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: friendship1001 on April 22, 2014, 05:11:29 AM
This set has been on ebay for a very long time.
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: ggoodluck2013 on April 29, 2014, 11:07:12 AM
My personal opinion:
those medals are not minted by Chinese official mint,Chinese official mint can't directly use the pattern of ancient chinese taiji nosy map in the medal at that time.Because the ancient chinese taiji nosy is just a kind of folk belief.The official is not open to the public propaganda.
Even if it is considered as Chinese mint,then it is minted by Chinese private mint ,not official mint.
By the way,Personally, I think it is minted by China Taiwan mint






Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: poconopenn on May 10, 2014, 06:26:27 PM
My personal opinion:
those medals are not minted by Chinese official mint,Chinese official mint can't directly use the pattern of ancient chinese taiji nosy map in the medal at that time.Because the ancient chinese taiji nosy is just a kind of folk belief.The official is not open to the public propaganda.
Even if it is considered as Chinese mint,then it is minted by Chinese private mint ,not official mint.
By the way,Personally, I think it is minted by China Taiwan mint



It was politically incorrect during the culture revolution period for Taiji symbol used  in the coin/medal design, but not post-1990. Here is an example of Taiji symbol was used in one of the coin in 1993 I & D set. 
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: SANDAC on May 10, 2014, 06:48:02 PM
The trigram I'm familiar with have heaven (乾) on top and earth (坤) on the bottom like the one on the 1993 Yin-Yang philosophy.  I don't recognize the order on the 5oz silver dog/yin yang medal.  Perhaps the order is altered to mean something else?
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: poconopenn on May 10, 2014, 11:32:37 PM
The trigram I'm familiar with have heaven (乾) on top and earth (坤) on the bottom like the one on the 1993 Yin-Yang philosophy.  I don't recognize the order on the 5oz silver dog/yin yang medal.  Perhaps the order is altered to mean something else?

The trigram has several different arrangements. The one your referred to is the oldest version. The 5 oz. medal shown the second version. I have no idea about the reason for the change or the exact implication. Nevertheless, each symbol does match the Chinese character.
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: ggoodluck2013 on May 11, 2014, 11:57:55 AM
It was politically incorrect during the culture revolution period for Taiji symbol used  in the coin/medal design, but not post-1990. Here is an example of Taiji symbol was used in one of the coin in 1993 I & D set.  
Yes,you are right,Taiji symbol used in the coin design in 1993 China ancient Chinese science and technology invention coins.
The reason why I think this medal was minted by China Taiwan or China Hongkong mint(I am sorry I missed the Hongkong mint in the previous reply).
When a coin is designed,it will be related to various factors such as local culture,in fact, as I said before,Promotion of Tai Chi Bagua in China is far below in  Taiwan and Hongkong area.In Taiwan and Hongkong area, most of the people believe in Feng Shui, believe that Tai Chi Bagua,but in China only a very small part of people believe in it.People in Taiwan and Hong Kong area career in this part of the legal, and can get people's respect,but in the China it is really hard.Back up to the medal itself.The whole side of the design with the map of Taiji Bagua and Related words.this way of design will be popular by people in Taiwan and Hong Kong area.but  not necessarily be welcome in China.(Such as that 1993 China ancient Chinese science and technology invention coins,most of the design is the figure,only a little for the map of Taiji Bagua).If the consumer group is defined as the native people,this way of design will not be used by China mint,but the Taiwan and Hongkong mint will use.Or I can say, the design of this medal will be more popular by the people in Taiwan and Hongkong area than in China.that is why I think it was minted by Taiwan or Hongkong mint ,not by China mint.In addition,the design of the dog,this kind of dog is unfamiliar in China in 1994,and this kind of dog is not the dog in traditional idea of the chinese.so I think a more familiar kinds of dog will be used by China mint if it is minted by China mint.

By the way,it is just only my personal opinion :laugh:








 











Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: roquegallery1 on October 13, 2015, 07:34:28 PM
Poconopenn mentioned that the 1994 Yin Yang Medal the same as the 1994 Chinese Year of the Dog?? Is this medal selling for 6000.00??
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: pandamonium on March 06, 2016, 07:22:17 AM
The ID 15 coin set is still on ebay 191816714990  $15,598...
Same set without double seal sold on ebay 121904775246   $2,820     The 1994 big silver dog has letters  ASH  about 9 o'clock.....
Ebay silver rooster 262313539596  has  .A.SH.     Similar to big silver dog.    What is this mint mark?    It was discussed before?   I see it on several Chinese silver designs.......Is it from Taiwan, Hong Kong, Australia, Great Britain?.......

Also the 1982 copper dog that came w/ the Mint Set, what was mintage?      ebay 182040915483 is an example....
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: dennisma77 on October 28, 2016, 11:12:50 PM
This is an interesting topic. Any update?
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: pandamonium on October 29, 2016, 07:11:05 AM
One seller gave me this information......(the 5 oz silver Sharpei Dog has ASH on it about 7 o clock.)     1 oz Sharpei Dog sold recently on ebay and it also had the same initials.    ASH stands for Alex Shagin.    Copyright by PandaAmerica not a government mint.... This set was probably put together by PA and that is why i question if it is a Martin Weiss set.    Emailed PA about these silver medals and mintage but no response.    Sharpei Dog silver may have been privately minted in the US for this set but not 100% sure......photo of 5 oz silver Sharpei Dog...
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: pandamonium on October 29, 2016, 07:34:40 AM
The ID 15 coin set is still on ebay 191816714990  $15,598...
Same set without double seal sold on ebay 121904775246   $2,820     The 1994 big silver dog has letters  ASH  about 9 o'clock.....
Ebay silver rooster 262313539596  has  .A.SH.     Similar to big silver dog.    What is this mint mark?    It was discussed before?   I see it on several Chinese silver designs.......Is it from Taiwan, Hong Kong, Australia, Great Britain?.......

Also the 1982 copper dog that came w/ the Mint Set, what was mintage?      ebay 182040915483 is an example....




Disclosure;   I have a habit of putting very low bids on ebay and once in a while i get shocked when i win.    I won the set for $2,820 and it is the same as the $15k set.     Have paypal's 14 day delivery plan which is a 2 week line of credit.     Sold the big S50Y or 5 oz Yin Yang Philosophy to pay for the set.    At least i owned it for about a week before payment was due.   Kept the rest of the set and all paperwork, boxes, etc.    Photos of the big Yin Yang i sold below.     Heartbreaking to sell but gotta pay bills......
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: pandamonium on October 29, 2016, 07:36:18 AM
S50Y Yin Yang, the buyer is extremely happy but i ain't......
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: UniqueCoins on October 29, 2016, 04:16:54 PM
S50Y Yin Yang, the buyer is extremely happy but i ain't......

Thats a very nice coin, i like it :)
But the coin have often milk spots.. i see yours too. The sale Price was over 2500$ without OMP for your coin? PP is much lower.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/282212289208?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT  :scared:
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: pandamonium on October 29, 2016, 07:17:23 PM
Yes the S50Y in photo was sold to pay for the set....tried to convert euro to USD but could not.   What is the sale price in USD?.....
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: UniqueCoins on October 30, 2016, 07:55:43 PM
Just 253 $
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: PandaOrLunar on October 30, 2016, 08:52:40 PM
Not too bad for the buyer at 253
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: pandamonium on October 31, 2016, 07:44:37 AM
$253 for a S50Y Fu Lu Shou 5 oz silver God?..............hard to believe...
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: PandaOrLunar on April 18, 2018, 05:50:42 PM
Information/relationship of the 5oz and 1oz dog medal?

Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: Mirkkanen on April 18, 2018, 09:52:21 PM
A couple of years ago, I had one of those in the backseat of my car when I went to return a book at the library. As I got back to my car and saw the broken glass laying next to my car, I was obviously worried. Worst news ever. I opened up the rear passenger-side door to find a second ugly-ass dog medal in my backseat. Yuck.
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: Hippanda on April 19, 2018, 03:53:43 AM
BADDA-BOOM
Title: Re: Very rare Yin-Yang 15-coin/medal silver set in OMP
Post by: pandamonium on April 19, 2018, 06:37:57 AM
Guess it won't win a popularity contest but there are others that won't win either.....

Looks like Alex designed both and the 5 oz was for the PA set.      Have seen about 2 of the 1 oz on ebay a year and none of the 5 oz.     Guesstimate that the 5 oz may have only been produced for the set.      Not official mint by a long shot but there are other non official medals too that are popular.     Still a semi immature Chinese coin/medal market so lets see what happens in the long run to these unofficial set medals......

PA has the answers to mintage, etc.....