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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2017, 10:20:56 AM »
幣面缺料髒污.撥雲見日後真相如附圖

上6圖為髒污原況.燈源放大反光.反不利於立體層次觀察.抱歉 N48

高解析欣賞人像刻刀痕刻模技巧.

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2017, 07:18:42 PM »
1896年四川楷书(缶宝)光绪元宝库平七钱二分银币,又称“四川楷书”
乃最初之试制样币。另一种光绪元宝的宝字作简写“尒”,俗称“尒宝”,为后来之产行用品,有多种版式。
正反面均带湖北式样的花星,用楷书篆刻七钱二分字样,造型精美,存世量极少。
09年四川省造光绪元宝七钱二分的缶宝长六花星的市场估价为十万元。

圖片庫均查無此幣種樣幣圖樣.林杯首發貢獻兩版樣幣龍圖.

撿漏當撿如此漏 N34

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2017, 09:10:29 PM »
1928中華民國十七年張作霖文裝大元帥紀念幣
天津造幣總廠末代人像幣的典範
看看雕模技師的功力如何?
曾送台北ACCA鑑定..被以非傳承有序的經驗法則……判假.

林杯說…..撿漏當撿如此漏 N34

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2017, 09:14:26 PM »
廣東省造壽字雙龍七錢二
壽字左下有邊緣明確的蝕刻暗記.暗記左側龍麟有蝕刻對照暗記.
暗記右邊上有一顆星.
在燈下肉眼即可見星光閃爍.是否意喻...海角天涯一壽星. N43

寶字王右下腳是否暗示此王被扯後腿?

人工刻刀痕明確..還原造幣鋼模初始樣態

撿漏當撿如此漏. N34

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2017, 04:27:18 AM »
1928......AUTO  DOLLAR

注意筆劃上及車身細條紋狀刻刀痕.車燈泡位置大小.七字頭形態.圖文細節

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2017, 07:26:52 PM »
研究錢幣是為正確傳承盡一份心力
林杯說..凡機制真幣必定設有防偽暗記.平淡無奇的文字.圖樣.絕對真不了….高手看字就能識真假.
流通幣需多組幣模因應造幣數量需求.相同幣種不同模組即為不同版.不同版幣模會設有共同暗記.這需要多找幾枚真幣仔細比對才會發現..造假者唯恐淪為同模傷.會將暗記全數抹平.製造出完美無缺的假象.投其所好.
眼力就是在持續不斷的比對中練就的.不下苦工夫.就沒有機會品嘗先知先覺者的寂寞. N28

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2017, 10:05:57 PM »
研究錢幣是為正確傳承盡一份心力
林杯說..凡機制真幣必定設有防偽暗記.平淡無奇的文字.圖樣.絕對真不了….高手看字就能識真假.
流通幣需多組幣模因應造幣數量需求.相同幣種不同模組即為不同版.不同版幣模會設有共同暗記.這需要多找幾枚真幣仔細比對才會發現..造假者唯恐淪為同模傷.會將暗記全數抹平.製造出完美無缺的假象.投其所好.
眼力就是在持續不斷的比對中練就的.不下苦工夫.就沒有機會品嘗先知先覺者的寂寞. N28


The PCGS certified coins posted by you are fake coins in fake PCGS holders. Just want to make sure that members of CCF understand that these two coins are not certified by PCGS.

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2017, 02:30:48 PM »
IMO, 4 coins (A, B, C and D) posted by you may not be genuine. The identical scratches, as outlined in the pictures are not hidden marks as you suggested. They are too deep to be considered as Mint marks. Those coins are reproduction from the die copied from a circulated genuine coin.
   

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2017, 07:38:37 PM »
IMO, 4 coins (A, B, C and D) posted by you may not be genuine. The identical scratches, as outlined in the pictures are not hidden marks as you suggested. They are too deep to be considered as Mint marks. Those coins are reproduction from the die copied from a circulated genuine coin.
   

您好..4圖紅圈標示處為人工刻刀痕.幣模以雕刻鑿陰刻.幣面呈現的是不規則細條紋狀的鋪陳.堆砌.糾結.把圖放大.底板也能發現不規則細條紋狀陽刻.刻刀痕就是機制特徵的直接證據.

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2017, 08:01:17 PM »
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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2017, 10:30:15 PM »
I understand that 刻刀痕就是機制特徵的直接證據. However, it can be reproduced by counterfeiter. When four different coins have identical “deep” scratched lines as shown in the pictures, IMO, those coins are highly questionable and most likely are not genuine.

There are identical pimple in these four coins too.

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #41 on: April 11, 2017, 11:13:09 PM »
Here are pictures of NGC MS64 1903 Fengtein silver dragon dollar. The third picture is PCGS XF coin.

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2017, 02:12:14 AM »
Here are pictures of NGC MS64 1903 Fengtein silver dragon dollar. The third picture is PCGS XF coin.
        您好...在把您的貼圖放大後
1.   NGC第一圖文字筆劃邊緣是用黑色顏料描邊做舊.癸字第二橫右端分叉是敗筆.珠圈大小形態一致是電腦排版製作.文字筆劃毫無立體層次可言
2.   NGC第二圖龍圖外圈英文字母上環圈為一眼假的假模裂.
3.   PCGS第3圖文字筆劃上及底板上遍佈砂眼.黑色顏料色澤一致.係人為刻意做舊.庫字下橫端左側堆銀.下直端左側框邊..寶字貝內多一橫..此特徵.應屬鑄造孤品.


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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #43 on: April 12, 2017, 12:47:01 PM »
My point in two previous postings is trying to show the problematic areas of those four coins which IMO, they are not genuine, and are reproduction from  a die copied from a genuine circulated coin.

Here are additional two areas which I was not mentioned previously in this small section of the coin. Usually, I will not give away so many information, since counterfeiters also visit this forum to gain the knowledge and therefore to improve their skill in making fake coin.

The shape and size of those dots in the marked area are identical for these four coins. They were connected at the same spot. This can not be happened, when the coins were wore in different degree.

刻刀痕 (knife notch/knife mark) can be copied from circulated coin by skillful counterfeiters and can not be considered as the only evidence of a genuine coin.

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2017, 07:25:58 PM »
您好..在您標示的4圖當中..各部分細節是大致相同大不同.就是說紅線標示的區塊刻痕各不相同.只是有不同程度的磨損.
流通幣需多組模就是讓同一個人雕刻同一幣種幣模也不會完全相同.您認為這4枚是同模假幣...我卻認為這4枚並非同模..真正同模幣各部位細節將完全相同.
底下放兩枚同模傷假幣供參..NGC假幣入盒前三圖這枚為美國華人所有..末2圖為中國大陸泉友民风所有...請您見識同模假幣的仿製功力