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World Cup!
« on: June 16, 2014, 06:01:04 PM »
Pardon me if this is slightly off topic.  Go USA Soccer!  N3  My fingers are crossed for a good showing in our opening match in a few minutes.

Any other World Cup fans out there in the CCF community?  I've seen some great matches in the past several days.

If you are an eBay seller with international sales, you might want to check your calendar so your auctions don't end during the big games.  You probably will have much less bidding activity, since a significant portion of the world population will be watching TV, not looking for deals on eBay.

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Re: World Cup!
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2014, 07:09:22 PM »
Been watching a few of the games, too. Also been wearing my G Shock FIFA Brazil Team DW6900...
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Re: World Cup!
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2014, 08:38:26 PM »
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Re: World Cup!
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2014, 08:22:33 AM »
Pardon me if this is slightly off topic.  Go USA Soccer!  N3  My fingers are crossed for a good showing in our opening match in a few minutes.

Any other World Cup fans out there in the CCF community?  I've seen some great matches in the past several days.

If you are an eBay seller with international sales, you might want to check your calendar so your auctions don't end during the big games.  You probably will have much less bidding activity, since a significant portion of the world population will be watching TV, not looking for deals on eBay.

(Different opinion from the rest, please read with an open mind.) :001_smile:

I would NOT be part of the "significant portion of the world's population" watching World Cup. N25

Since a teenager, I never like World Cup. I do enjoy playing minor sports games like jumping over rubberbands-tied rope (Zero Point), running around playing "police and thief" ...etc, but World Cup were never my cup of tea. I did win a Gold medal during high school for Discus and that's all about it.

As an adult, since I learnt about how children athletes were tortured daily in vigorous trainings in China to win gold medals for their country, I totally lost faith and interest in Olympics. Since I learnt how a country can "import" talents from China to win medals or soccer matches for their country, I was disgusted. Then I learnt about the dirty politics and rigging behind soccer matches, I too totally lost faith and interest in World Cup.

Now, sports (to me) is no longer purely an innocent game of genuine sportsmanship. Sports is now a stipulated and manipulated instrument to win medals and Medals are no longer of honour & glory, they are now available to whom can afford the most cash.

Who will win World Cup? I'm afraid some people might have already "planned" the winner in advance...

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Re: World Cup!
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2014, 09:34:10 AM »
I love soccer and played the game in my youth. My two children are both avid soccer players.

But, the more I have learned about the way the World Cup is run, the more I just cannot enjoy watching.

-170,000 Brazilians forcibly removed form their homes without compensation to make way for construction
-special police task force (UCC) created to 'clean up the cities', UCC to be disbanded after World Cup
-numerous reports of murders of inncocent people including many children, such as in the favelas
-police have stated they are paid a bonus to kill street kids
-cost overruns on stadiums that Brazil probably cant afford to maintain (witness the unused Olympic Stadiums falling apart in Greece, the only thing left after their Olympics is a mountain of debt)
-the total revenue, est. $30bn, from ticket sales, sponsorships, broadcast rights, advertising, sales of FIFA branded goods, flows almost exclusively to FIFA's HQ, and doesnt benefit the average Brazilian
-so while Brazil didnt have any money to increase its illiteracy rate (20%) or work oin removing poverty or staff its strained hospital system with more doctors and nurses, it somehow found $5bn to build expensive stadiums, many some willl only be used for a few games (Manana stadium is for 4 games) and then fall into disrepair

I also notice how the highly paid players, eager to get their ration of a few million in blood-stained notes for playing, dont apeak out against these atrocities. They are no different than the Jews in the Nazi concentration camps who managed the gassing of their fellow countrymen in exchange for a bit of protection from the Nazis.

It will be a similar catastrophe in Japan, when (if?) the Olympics are held. Never mind that Japan has the highest debt to GDP of any developed nation,
214% Debt:GDP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt

never mind that the Japanese bond market is collapsing, never mind that the government cant clean up the Fukushima nuclear disaster, lets bring the best and strongest DNA in the world to Tokyo so we can irradiate it with nuclear fallout and permanently damage that DNA. So, even though there is evidence of actual nuclear fuel scattered in the streets of Tokyo (from when the plants blew up, aerosolizing the fuel), they ignore the warnings and want to have a nuclear Olympics. They have even put a training facility right on the edge of the exclusion zone, where radiation levels are still high.

Both the World Cup and Olympics have morphed into some warped definition of a sports event that is really only corporate cronyism forcing humanity to do business while looking at the end of the barrel of a gun.

As an MCC and PM collector and investor, this is one of the main reasons I collect MCC, to hedge against the insanity of government. I am not numb to the suffering that the Brazilian people went through to 'host' these games.

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Re: World Cup!
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2014, 09:49:09 AM »
I agree, the servitude of money and not spiritual values are going worldwide.   The corruption even in the Pacific NW is at times hard to believe, just scratch the surface.   It will get ugly as the World will finally wake up to the fact that Fukishima is killing the Pacific Ocean and that is not allowed to be reported.   It is called wasting disease of our starfish as a example.  Fukishima should be entombed w/ concrete like Chernobyl but now reports say the nuclear rods have burned thru the containment floors and bedrock into the ocean.   I did enjoy the NBA finals.........

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Re: World Cup!
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2014, 10:18:05 PM »
I love soccer and played the game in my youth. My two children are both avid soccer players.

But, the more I have learned about the way the World Cup is run, the more I just cannot enjoy watching.

-170,000 Brazilians forcibly removed form their homes without compensation to make way for construction
-special police task force (UCC) created to 'clean up the cities', UCC to be disbanded after World Cup
-numerous reports of murders of inncocent people including many children, such as in the favelas
-police have stated they are paid a bonus to kill street kids
-cost overruns on stadiums that Brazil probably cant afford to maintain (witness the unused Olympic Stadiums falling apart in Greece, the only thing left after their Olympics is a mountain of debt)
-the total revenue, est. $30bn, from ticket sales, sponsorships, broadcast rights, advertising, sales of FIFA branded goods, flows almost exclusively to FIFA's HQ, and doesnt benefit the average Brazilian
-so while Brazil didnt have any money to increase its illiteracy rate (20%) or work oin removing poverty or staff its strained hospital system with more doctors and nurses, it somehow found $5bn to build expensive stadiums, many some willl only be used for a few games (Manana stadium is for 4 games) and then fall into disrepair

I also notice how the highly paid players, eager to get their ration of a few million in blood-stained notes for playing, dont apeak out against these atrocities. They are no different than the Jews in the Nazi concentration camps who managed the gassing of their fellow countrymen in exchange for a bit of protection from the Nazis.

It will be a similar catastrophe in Japan, when (if?) the Olympics are held. Never mind that Japan has the highest debt to GDP of any developed nation,
214% Debt:GDP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt

never mind that the Japanese bond market is collapsing, never mind that the government cant clean up the Fukushima nuclear disaster, lets bring the best and strongest DNA in the world to Tokyo so we can irradiate it with nuclear fallout and permanently damage that DNA. So, even though there is evidence of actual nuclear fuel scattered in the streets of Tokyo (from when the plants blew up, aerosolizing the fuel), they ignore the warnings and want to have a nuclear Olympics. They have even put a training facility right on the edge of the exclusion zone, where radiation levels are still high.

Both the World Cup and Olympics have morphed into some warped definition of a sports event that is really only corporate cronyism forcing humanity to do business while looking at the end of the barrel of a gun.

As an MCC and PM collector and investor, this is one of the main reasons I collect MCC, to hedge against the insanity of government. I am not numb to the suffering that the Brazilian people went through to 'host' these games.

Thank you for your input. 1 applaud for you!

Not just the World Cup, but the Olympics too. Thousands of locals had their homes demolished for construction of stadiums and olympic villages.

Now all the Olympics villages have become desolate ghost towns. Total waste of resources to construct the villages just for one time event! Can't the athletes pay themselves to check into hotels?

http://www.buzzfeed.com/austinhunt/27-photos-of-a-ghost-town-that-was-once-the-sochi-olympic-vi

I support banning of World Cup, Olympics, English Premier League...etc.

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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2014, 12:24:20 AM »
I just read this article, I feel sad for the Brazilian people having to put up with all these for the World Cup:

Thousands of Brazilians lost their homes, $11 billion spent on World Cup instead of healthcare and education for Brazilian people....

http://news.distractify.com/people/52-of-brazilians-dont-support-the-world-cup-and-here-are-7-reasons-why-you-shouldnt-either/

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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2014, 12:37:49 AM »
Please know that China did the same thing in displacing/demolishing residences and businesses in order to "showcase" Beijing and the surrounding city venues for the 2008 olympics. Heck, they even built a new airport. All of this occured at the expense (unfortunate situations) of the mostly poorer Chinese residents in the affected areas. Their longstanding ways of life were uprooted, and in some cases, changed forever. Some third-party individuals may see that as "progress", while others may see it as major disruption of lifestyle. However, the Chinese government is known for evicting residents of old housing complexes, demolishing and rebuliding, and relocating the former residents to another place where they now have a mortgage whereas, before, they did not. I guess that is considered as "forceably growing the economy".  N13

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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2014, 12:49:13 AM »
Please know that China did the same thing in displacing/demolishing residences and businesses in order to "showcase" Beijing and the surrounding city venues for the 2008 olympics. Heck, they even built a new airport. All of this occured at the expense (unfortunate situations) of the mostly poorer Chinese residents in the affected areas. Their longstanding ways of life were uprooted, and in some cases, changed forever. Some third-party individuals may see that as "progress", while others may see it as major disruption of lifestyle. However, the Chinese government is known for evicting residents of old housing complexes, demolishing and rebuliding, and relocating the former residents to another place where they now have a mortgage whereas, before, they did not. I guess that is considered as "forceably growing the economy".  N13

Yes, I also know about the thousands of homes of Chinese people which were demolished for Beijing Olympics 2008. Same case as the 2014 Winter Olympics in Russia. Total waste of resources, funds and efforts! :mad:

Which is why I refused to buy the 2008 Beijing Olympics coins/medals and other sports-related coins/medals. N32

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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2014, 05:45:40 AM »
Wow, lots of conspiracy theories. I think that all the infrastructure that is built for such events, would have never been realized if there was no Olympics or World Cups in some countries. Yes, sometimes the spendings are just irrationally overpriced, some buildings are redundant, some are destined to cease after event, but in generalit helps to boost turist industry long after the games, people from those regions can meet lots of other people, cultures etc that they would have never met otherwise. 

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Re: World Cup!
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2014, 12:30:22 PM »
How about we talk about the soccer matches being played instead of the politics? I hope it is not too much to ask to enjoy a non-economic topic . . .

On another forum I frequent, I happened to choose the winner and the correct score of the USA-Ghana match. I watched the first goal in disbelief. So happy that we even have a chance to get out of the group of death . . .

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Re: World Cup!
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2014, 09:24:48 PM »
Speaking of sports, why doesn't the China mint make a 5 oz silver Brue Lee medal?   Enter the dragon!......

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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2014, 10:00:03 PM »
Speaking of sports, why doesn't the China mint make a 5 oz silver Brue Lee medal?   Enter the dragon!......

Bruce Lee? Again? Too many memorabilia about him... ebay has tons of his stuffs! If his coin ever released, I won't buy it. Felt he's overrated.

For those who like to collect dragon coins/stuff, make sure you check with a fengshui master that the dragon is favorable for your luck. Dragon, though is auspicious generally, is not suitable for everyone.

I checked mine several years ago with a reputable master, he diagnosed dragon symbol/stuffs will bring down my luck and drain my energy as it is not suitable for my animal sign or four pillars birth chart or something like that. Immediately at that time, I had sold all my dragon coins and threw away dragon statues, within a few days, I felt my luck improved and physically, I felt revived and refreshed. He also told me what elements and animal signs are favorable to my luck. Ever since, I've been avoiding the dragon stuffs and coins.

Believe or not, it's up to you.

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Re: World Cup!
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2014, 11:16:12 PM »
Huh?  Do you really believe a dragon symbol will bring down your luck and drain your energy?  Was that on a HBO comedy show?   Do people really believe that stuff or are you just teasing me?  I did not say put a dragon on the Bruce Lee coins.   Enter the dragon is the name of his movie.   Put Bruce on the coins and it will increase sales.  Who in the East is more World famous than Bruce Lee?   Maybe the Dalai Lama of Tibet........

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« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2014, 10:42:24 AM »
Huh?  Do you really believe a dragon symbol will bring down your luck and drain your energy?  Was that on a HBO comedy show?   Do people really believe that stuff or are you just teasing me?  I did not say put a dragon on the Bruce Lee coins.   Enter the dragon is the name of his movie.   Put Bruce on the coins and it will increase sales.  Who in the East is more World famous than Bruce Lee?   Maybe the Dalai Lama of Tibet........

Yes, I believe. I also believe in ghosts and the unseen forces though I've not seen a ghost before. I believe there is a God or Higher Power too.

Not just dragon symbol, even a smiley face had to be changed due to fengshui:
http://fengshuibeginner.com/another-story-about-singapore-1-coin/

You asked >>> Who in the East is more World famous than Bruce Lee?

Bruce Lee is kind of violent and old-news. Currently, the most world-famous celebrity from the East is Faye Wong.

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« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2014, 10:52:14 AM »
How about we talk about the soccer matches being played instead of the politics? I hope it is not too much to ask to enjoy a non-economic topic . . .

On another forum I frequent, I happened to choose the winner and the correct score of the USA-Ghana match. I watched the first goal in disbelief. So happy that we even have a chance to get out of the group of death . . .

I heard my colleagues discussing predictions that Brazil will lose the World Cup. Why and details, I did not ask as I was overhearing their conversation.

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Re: World Cup!
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2014, 12:08:27 PM »
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Football is a simple game; 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes and at the end, the Germans win.

Gary Lineker after losing the 1990 World Cup semifinal to Germany by penalty shootout. So safe your breath and focus on coins  N16
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Re: World Cup!
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2014, 09:33:51 PM »
Yes, I believe. I also believe in ghosts and the unseen forces though I've not seen a ghost before. I believe there is a God or Higher Power too.

Not just dragon symbol, even a smiley face had to be changed due to fengshui:
http://fengshuibeginner.com/another-story-about-singapore-1-coin/

You asked >>> Who in the East is more World famous than Bruce Lee?

Bruce Lee is kind of violent and old-news. Currently, the most world-famous celebrity from the East is Faye Wong.



I too believe in God and spiritual powers   There are many unknown forces on this Earth.  Even witching for water w/ a Y tree branch is very strange and it works.   Now i think about it, there probably is no need for a Bruce Lee coin as there is a Hou Yi.   He looks to be a warrior.  Who is Faye Wong?  Will look him up.   Collecting Chinese coins is a learning experience w/ culture too.   The Chinese have a long history so they know many things that we in the West have no clue to........

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Re: World Cup!
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2014, 10:32:19 PM »
I too believe in God and spiritual powers   There are many unknown forces on this Earth.  Even witching for water w/ a Y tree branch is very strange and it works.   Now i think about it, there probably is no need for a Bruce Lee coin as there is a Hou Yi.   He looks to be a warrior.  Who is Faye Wong?  Will look him up.   Collecting Chinese coins is a learning experience w/ culture too.   The Chinese have a long history so they know many things that we in the West have no clue to........


Houyi shooting down 9 suns is a great coin. I wanted to buy it but felt it was overpriced and unslabbed.

Faye Wong is an elegant lady celebrity. Famous (and had held concerts) in China, Taiwan, Hongkong, Singapore, Malaysia, Japan, US, Canada and Australia.
She was the second Chinese celebrity (after Gong Li) to be featured on the cover of Time magazine.
In 2004 and 2005 Faye Wong was ranked in the top 5 on the Forbes China Celebrity 100. Now Fan Bingbing is in the lead due to the recent X-Men movie, but Fan Bingbing is nowhere near in the greatness of Faye Wong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faye_Wong

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Re: World Cup!
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2014, 10:57:06 AM »
What team is Hou Yi playing for? Scored any goals yet? So what is the big deal?

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« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2014, 11:24:21 AM »
Any specific teams folks are rooting for? From games I've seen, Germany and Nederland are the team to beat. I would not be surprised if either of them wins the 2014 World Cup. :001_smile:
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Re: World Cup!
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2014, 12:04:59 PM »
Any specific teams folks are rooting for? From games I've seen, Germany and Nederland are the team to beat. I would not be surprised if either of them wins the 2014 World Cup. :001_smile:

I think I might be in the minority.  I'm not a member of any rabid fan group, rooting for a particular team (although a US win is always nice).  I just want to see beautiful soccer, regardless of who is doing it.  I tend to cheer the great pass or shot, first, and then notice which team did it, second.

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« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2014, 12:09:18 PM »
Any sport that resulted in property damages and worst people injured or died due to a "game" lose/win is nothing to be cheering about.

It just a game people; enjoyed it, celebrated it, go home peacefully.

I'm off of my soap box, getting back to coin related.

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« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2014, 12:29:50 PM »
What team is Hou Yi playing for? Scored any goals yet? So what is the big deal?

Bigger than goals. Hou Yi shot down 9 Suns. He is a Chinese mythology hero. :thumbup1:

Without Hou Yi, planet Earth would be 10 times hotter. N38

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« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2014, 12:32:48 PM »
Any sport that resulted in property damages and worst people injured or died due to a "game" lose/win is nothing to be cheering about.

It just a game people; enjoyed it, celebrated it, go home peacefully.

I'm off of my soap box, getting back to coin related.

If the fans of the losing team go home peacefully, it would be really a bliss.

More often, fans of the losing team did not go home peacefully... Really shows the upbringing and mannerisms of the people.

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Dutch fans riot after World Cup Final defeat
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/7885477/Dutch-fans-riot-after-World-Cup-Final-defeat.html

 Anger directed at British referee Howard Webb spilled over in street violence in The Hague in the early hours of Monday morning.

Mounted police were called in to disperse a group of 200 rioting Dutch fans and there were 40 arrests.

Hundreds of thousands of fans left Amsterdam after a planned victory parade in a boat through the capital's canals on Monday afternoon was cancelled.

But the team plane was escorted back into Dutch airspace by an F-16 fighter jet, painted in the national Orange colours ahead of a reception with Queen Beatrix.

Newspaper headlines included "Orange tears" and "Not Again" above pictures of weeping Dutch players with despairing references to a new "trauma" after previous defeats to West Germany and Argentina in 1974 and 1978.



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« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2014, 12:47:41 PM »
Any specific teams folks are rooting for? From games I've seen, Germany and Nederland are the team to beat. I would not be surprised if either of them wins the 2014 World Cup. :001_smile:
I personally expect both in the semifinals, as well as Argentina and Chile one of the mentioned teams should win the Cup, I will be cheering Chile as one of the underdogs. Even more, they produce copper and I have lots of copper coins in my collection :-)

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« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2014, 04:27:49 PM »
It ought to be Chile in semis, as I watch the game now :-)

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« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2014, 01:25:40 AM »
I heard my colleagues discussing predictions that Brazil will lose the World Cup. Why and details, I did not ask as I was overhearing their conversation.

Looks like my colleagues were right! :scared:

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« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2014, 01:22:45 AM »

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Football is a simple game; 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes and at the end, the Germans win.
Gary Lineker after losing the 1990 World Cup semifinal to Germany by penalty shootout. So safe your breath and focus on coins  N16
Enough said. Congrats to the Germans  N43 Das war weltklasse!
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« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2014, 02:41:55 AM »
Congrats to those who put their salaries on German team.

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« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2014, 02:47:46 PM »
Any sport that resulted in property damages and worst people injured or died due to a "game" lose/win is nothing to be cheering about.

It just a game people; enjoyed it, celebrated it, go home peacefully.

I'm off of my soap box, getting back to coin related.
Another disgusting black eye for the sport.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2173607-js-kabylie-player-albert-ebosse-dies-after-being-hit-by-object-during-match?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial&hpt=hp_t2

...JS Kabylie Player Albert Ebosse Dies After Being Hit by Object During Match...hit by a stone thrown by fans...

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« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2014, 12:31:23 PM »
Wow, that IS horrible. I hope that the person responsible will be held accountable for his or her actions.