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Fake Chinese Coins / Re: List of fake Chinese coin sellers
« Last post by pandamonium on Today at 08:32:18 AM »
Is this a normal PCGS holder?.....compared to the fake above it looks genuine to me....
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Interesting.    If there are 2 restrikes of the 84 silver goldfish then what is actual mintage?      I have seen on ebay - list and sell 3 OMP silver goldfish sets in the last yr (plus graded sets).
How about silver Plate goldfish?    Are there photos to distinguish real silver from Plate?     Was this info on another CCF post?

How about this 1980 Chinese Exhibition horse w/ swallow photo in PF 66?     3 piece set w/ Handshake and Bao He Palace.     Probably not, but is this hand engraved dies?      Ebay photo.....
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There are coins missing from the pop reports.  Every year I find coins that when you do cert look up coin isn't present even though I submitted it for grading myself.  The most common missing coins are when you send in a coin for relabeling, often the entire invoice is missing.  Other times I have seen it is during show grading, coins simply don't show up.  Whenever I notice this I send NGC a picture and they add it to the pop report.  I remember buying 20+ coins from Nick B back in 2008, when I went home to add them to registry none of them existed, I sent NGC picture and they added not only the coins I sent them but the entire invoice from which the coins came from.  The images weren't uploaded, just cert look up and numbers in pop reports.  As general rule I assume the pop reports are 95% accurate. 
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There are important differences between original 1984 Goldfish  (Mr Yi Shizhong ) which can help determine whether it's desired Silver, or just plated.  First die state (both brass and silver) DragonEyes have full water plant. (Pic1).  First Re-strikes have missing branch (pic 2) and second restrikes have repaired branch ( pic 3). Cheap silver plated do not have full branch version (except cheap gold gilded, oddly).  If medal is silver and Dragon Eyes has full branch (pic 1)  then it is original first die state Silver, without flaw and rare and valuable.  All three die states exist with original 1984 Goldfish.  There was once some bogus conjecture offered by a discredited poster that a flawless 1984 did not exist and that is why they were somehow not given due attention over Pagoda medal, but that is clearly erroneous.  Indeed- flawless 1984 original die state, with full water plant, does exist. See photos. Happy hunting!



** credit to FWang and others for photos and research.
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Fake Chinese Coins / Re: List of fake Chinese coin sellers
« Last post by poconopenn on Yesterday at 08:23:48 PM »
silvertam2013

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Yes, all three coins listed by "suny99baobei" are low quality reproduction in fake holders.

Here is the link to pictures of all PCGS holders since 1986.


https://www.pcgs.com/holders

IMO, many of raw coins listed by this seller are also reproduction.

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Could it be that these were all previously graded with standard designation and none subsequently showed up again until yours was submitted?

If you want to continue this research, let me know and I'll give you some data for this coin.
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Here is a link from NGC depicting a new recognized variety back in 2015.  I hunted for a very long time and found one and had it graded...PF 69 UC  N3

https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/4566/Modern-Chinese-Varieties/


However, when you check NGC pop report only one exists, which would be mine (I would have thought mine would be #2).  If this is true, what happened to the coin featured in their article 2 years prior and why does it not show up in census.  Is it held as some type of discovery coin?

Inquiring minds want to know.

thanks for any help.
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Fake Chinese Coins / Re: List of fake Chinese coin sellers
« Last post by silvertam2013 on Yesterday at 01:42:09 PM »
sunny99baobei (680 )

Rare Qing Dynasty Silver coin,(1898 year,$1) China-Kiangnan PROVINCE Manufacture

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Qing-Dynasty-Silver-coin-1898-year-1-China-Kiangnan-PROVINCE-Manufacture-/122753250135?hash=item1c94a9f357:g:jPAAAOSwJthZ4M32

Another one with old PCGS case.  I just wonder, as I do have the level of expertise.

I've reported (actually can only report) the first one (can match with photo on PCGS site) to eBay.
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Fake Chinese Coins / Re: List of fake Chinese coin sellers
« Last post by silvertam2013 on Yesterday at 01:31:59 PM »
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Fake Chinese Coins / Re: List of fake Chinese coin sellers
« Last post by silvertam2013 on Yesterday at 01:28:41 PM »
sunny99baobei (680 )

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Qing-Dynasty-Silver-coin-1899-year-1-YUAN-China-Fengtien-Manufacture/142536923767?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

It seems that the listing slabbed coin doesn't match with photo on PCGS.  Fake coin in a fake case??

The seller is listing a few high value coins too.
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