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Offline cabaretvolt

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anyone know how easily one might mistake these for the real mcoys?
370626771247

are there many other series that have been reproduced as well?
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They look more shiny than normal.  The 1984 Historical Figures are frosty and they are quite consistent in appearance, unlike the later years HF.  I'll ask them to post better pictures.  There are known restrike of the 1984, see this table:
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=18.msg15153#msg15153
However, I don't know whether it is the Royal Mint that did the restrike.  The same seller also claim to have "restrike" Panda from the Royal Mint.  That sounds suspicious to me.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ROYAL-MINT-CHINA-1-OUNCE-SILVER-PANDA-COLLECTION-19-ONLY-100-SETS-ISSUED-/370626773836?pt=UK_Coins_World_RL&hash=item564b13c34c

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thanks for the reply... how about these being presented as original.... sure do look really mirror like very shiny
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-China-Terracotta-Warrior-4-Coin-Proof-Set-5-Yuan-Silver-/360503597562?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item53efb059fa

are these actually repoductions?

here's another listing w/ the same box and COA i think... but coins look more frosty... are these more likely original?
might be a lighting effect i suppose as well
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-CHINA-SILVER-PROOF-SET-4-COINS-5-YUAN-ORIGINAL-PACKAGE-INCL-COA-/350649912418?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&nma=true&si=a03Gx8suxo03QO%2FADptNa2XFpXc%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
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The two links you provided showed the Historical Figures packaged in the wooden boxes I'm familiar with.  The COA for the Royal Mint look just like the COA in the links you provided.  If that's the case, then in the back of the COA is signature of the president of People Bank of China.  So a better explaination maybe that the phrase "re-issue" is not "restrike", rather it is repackaging of the pre-existing coins in box designed by the Royal Mint when the Terracotta Army was displayed in London.  Probably sell them in the museum gift shop at an elevated price.  The same may also apply to the Panda set issued by Royal Mint.

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i'm still a little confused... from the table you included in the link i find --
1984 historical figure captain silver 5 yuan   750      600      5700      7050

i think this coin is from the terracotta warrior correct? therefore these are actual new restruck coins using
original dies from the china mint?  so we can add another 7050 to the original terracotta mintaage?

if i send in this coin that was restruck from 2005 w/ a mintage of 5700 to NGC... will NGC grade and label
this coin "restrike"?
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Since my translation of those 3 tables of restrikes from this article (http://www.jb008.cn/coin/article_view.asp?id=698), I have purchased many historical figure coins.  The question of restrike periodically popped up, but I am unable to confirm them.  The Historical Figure series suffered wide range of frosting variations and fading features, but that ailment seems to strike the even-year population where restrikes were reported as well as the odd-year population where no restrikes were reported.  To this date, NGC has not recognize any varieties within the Historical Figure series.  At this point I have the restrike numbers penciled in Mr Ge's book, just a reminder that the actual mintage maybe greater.  I'm interested in possible sightings of restrike.

You may be interested in this long thread about the varieties of Historical Figures:
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=4585.0

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The re-strikes have mirror fields and are in much better condition than nearly any of the originals that I have seen. They all look like they would grade 69 or 70, whereas most of the originals are much rougher. This album was offered for sale by a dealer in Beijing.



The Historical Series was a program of a German company. As far as I can tell, the Royal Mint was only a marketer for this company. The restrikes would have almost certainly have been done at the China Mint, and they do come with a COA from China Great Wall. According to the COA there are 3000 sets.

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thanks guys... i did read that other thread as well so am about as up to speed
as one can get on this matter in 24 hrs, thx
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